(Also, I'd just like to clarify, I'm a woman.
)*eek*! I'm so soooo sorry. Please forgive
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JessyAnne Theas
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Join date: 9 May 2007
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07-19-2007 12:15
(Also, I'd just like to clarify, I'm a woman. )*eek*! I'm so soooo sorry. Please forgive _____________________
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Sunni Jewell
Who said so?
Join date: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 748
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07-19-2007 12:15
"If not he could make a killing selling Sour Miserable Bastard Avatars"
Too funny! I love this and agree 100% I do believe that Elex has the TOS tatooed on his body somewhere. Also, sometimes people just need to rant, maybe don't expect sympathy so much as they need to vent. I know this is "resident answers", but we all know that not everything that gets posted here is an actual resident question. |
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Llourn Rhode
Registered User
Join date: 13 Jun 2007
Posts: 8
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07-19-2007 12:20
*eek*! I'm so soooo sorry. Please forgive lol it's ok. Also, what would someone do to warn others about people like this? Is it possible for me to mention his name and the events that had occured without incurring the wrath of the administration? I'm not looking to stir anything up, I just want to warn others about him, and to be a little more careful with dealing with him. |
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Ann Launay
Neko-licious™
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
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07-19-2007 12:28
Is it possible for me to mention his name and the events that had occured without incurring the wrath of the administration? Not here, but you could try someplace like www.secondcitizen.com...the forums there are fairly well known by the SL populace. _____________________
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things. Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut. |
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JessyAnne Theas
Cliqueless
Join date: 9 May 2007
Posts: 610
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07-19-2007 12:29
lol it's ok. Also, what would someone do to warn others about people like this? Is it possible for me to mention his name and the events that had occured without incurring the wrath of the administration? I'm not looking to stir anything up, I just want to warn others about him, and to be a little more careful with dealing with him. Highly inadvisable to mention their name here _____________________
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Elex Dusk
Bunneh
Join date: 19 Oct 2004
Posts: 800
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07-19-2007 12:36
lol it's ok. Also, what would someone do to warn others about people like this? Is it possible for me to mention his name and the events that had occured without incurring the wrath of the administration? I'm not looking to stir anything up, I just want to warn others about him, and to be a little more careful with dealing with him. And you'll also be letting people know that you don't know how to run your own business. Remember how you don't want to stir up anything? Then why continue to stir up things? Potential customers might decline to do business with you as you'll complain about them later. "Did work for Blanky McBlank and he paid me in wadded up dollar bills, one of which had a chili stain on them." Let's review: You made a bad decision. None of us can undo it. There are two possible paths before you: 1) Build your life around this one deal that went south and let everyone on the planet know about it. Revenue generated: L$0 B) Accept that you made a bad decision, that the money is most likely not coming, cultivate new accounts, and try to be more careful in the future Revenue generated: L$infinite Again, as a business person you're doing a bad bad thing: You're taking your eyes off the money. |
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Aki Shichiroji
pixel pusher
Join date: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 246
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07-19-2007 12:38
So.. you're saying the logo i designed is still my property. The only concern I have then is if he tries to use my work without paying me for it. Insofar that the logo did not already exist and that you were the originator of the actual *design*, yes, the logo is still your intellectual property. If neither party ever signed a legal contract signing over your IP rights OR signed a non-disclosure agreement concerning work in progress for the project, as the sole copyright owner of your design, you can do with it as you wish. You could even license that design to another company if you wanted to. HOWEVER - insofar as using the same logo to misrepresent that same company at a later date, you'd be running in to problems there. My suggestion would be to keep and archive all files you have relating to this situation, including proof of the date of origination, and any raw files you were working on (IE: unflattened PSDs, unrasterized vector graphics). Keep log files if you can, though reposting them outside of a legal context is something LL frowns upon. Keep an eye out for what the guy does or doesn't do with what he has. I suspect that if you only gave him a low res texture, he won't be able to do much with it, except make a cruddy mess. This can pose problems for you if word gets out that he's done cruddy stuff to your original work - it can sully your reputation as a skilled graphic artist... so watch out for it. And be as persistent about the payment as you feel necessary. I think the reasons for not filing a small claims suit have been hashed out already, but there is always hope that you will wear down his defenses eventually  And as Ann mentioned, while you can't mention names here, i'm sure there are a number of other appropriate venues to voice your frustrations and name names if you so wish.  _____________________
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Llourn Rhode
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Join date: 13 Jun 2007
Posts: 8
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07-19-2007 13:10
And you'll also be letting people know that you don't know how to run your own business. Remember how you don't want to stir up anything? Then why continue to stir up things? Potential customers might decline to do business with you as you'll complain about them later. "Did work for Blanky McBlank and he paid me in wadded up dollar bills, one of which had a chili stain on them." Let's review: You made a bad decision. None of us can undo it. There are two possible paths before you: 1) Build your life around this one deal that went south and let everyone on the planet know about it. Revenue generated: L$0 B) Accept that you made a bad decision, that the money is most likely not coming, cultivate new accounts, and try to be more careful in the future Revenue generated: L$infinite Again, as a business person you're doing a bad bad thing: You're taking your eyes off the money. Thank you for the advice. You're completely right, I took my eye off the money and thats something i shouldn't be doing as a business person. I'll let the deal sink and learn from my mistakes. I'll stop posting about it now, thanks everyone for the input. |
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Xplorer Cannoli
Cache Cleaner
Join date: 18 Sep 2005
Posts: 1,131
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07-19-2007 13:33
Don't let these types of folks get you down, keep your chin up and keep doing the right thing.
My next tattoo is going to come from your shop. X |
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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07-19-2007 14:39
*fervently hopes some people are not now and never will become parents*
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Chas Connolly
Registered User
Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,433
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07-19-2007 15:43
This might make you feel better. Give us this swine's name and business name - in IM - and we'll never do business with him.
Well I won't. |
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Stephanie Abernathy
Susan Ivanova Wannabe
Join date: 8 May 2006
Posts: 352
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07-20-2007 10:59
Llourn,
I have a suggestion: Require a good faith fee up front. No more than 50% of the agreed price, but more likely 10% to 25%. Since your business is new and un-established, you'll have to sell this with your customer, but most reputable businesspeople who come to you will understand and agree with a good faith committment. When your work is complete, present them with a No copy, no mod version of the finished product for their inspection. If they run off with this and don't pay you, you still have the good faith fee. You also have the knowledge that they will not be able to re-use the no copy texture. I found that out the hard way using a no copy pic that came with an outfit i bought.... i dropped it on a prim to show my partner (it was no transfer also). Texture became irretrievably attached to the prim. A thieving customer will get only 1 use out of a no copy, no mod. Insist on full payment of the remainder due, prior to delivery of the full perm (or whatever perms you contracted to make) custom texture (logo). Again, honest businesspeople will have no arguements about that. |
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 7,425
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07-20-2007 11:12
Have seen nothing so far. Imagine what a miserable person this must be, living with himself all day, down there in Mom's basement (maybe it has rats?). himself? Elex is a guy? for some reason I was thinking Elex is a girl. GAH sl and it's gender confusion heh _____________________
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Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 2,320
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07-20-2007 13:43
himself? Elex is a guy? for some reason I was thinking Elex is a girl. GAH sl and it's gender confusion heh I stand corrected. I should have used the probably more accurate "...living with ITself all day..." I certainly did not intend to disparage any of the startlingly numerous genders there seem to be around SL when I posted. (Reviewing this correction, I see I should now apologize in advance to all the ungendered avatars and objects around SL that would fit the pronoun "it" - which surely are in the great majority. No offense intended. The rats in Mom's basement, however, will have to fend for themselves.) |
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Play Nitely
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Join date: 19 Oct 2008
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10-30-2008 15:05
I run a business in SL called TeaZe Studios, with my Partner, Mandi. We're really new, and recently just finished completing our shop. As we continue to produce more artwork and tattoos to sell, I have been taking on custom jobs, such as logo designs, character commissions, and tattoo designs. Well, being new at this business thing, I agreed to create a logo for a client without collecting any fees prior to starting. I created the logo and sent it to him for approval. He replied back that the logo was almost perfect and there are only a couple of minor details he needs to have changed. I was very happy with the response, and after listening to promises of more business through recommendations, I logged off. My client had to show his colleagues the logo before giving any more input, and we agreed to speak the next day. After almost one week, i hear nothing from him. I leave him 2-3 IM's per day and hope to hear back from him. I also notice, i never see him online anymore, but through means I won't disclose I was able to find out he was online every single day since we last spoke. Eventually, he gets in touch with me and claims he was too busy to talk. I express my malcontent with the way he decides to do business with me and he becomes offended by my accusations of being unprofessional and decided to end the agreement. We agree on half payment and he explains he is having problems with his credit card being approved through SL or something like that. I tell him i understand, but if possible i would appreciate having the money within the next 3 days. 10 days later, i get no messages from him, but an acquaintance of his messages me saying he had requested she pay me the money he owes. I tell her if she had made arrangements with him to pay in his stead, i will accept it. She then tells me he had never made any agreement with me, and that i have been harassing him. I ask her not to get involved, and i sent him a message just now requesting payment. And i received no answer. I'm at the point where I'm unsure how to proceed. Does anyone have any advice? thank you. xoxox Llourn Rhode does a Hey bro sorry to hear you are having such a bad day.. This might help you, There are hundreds of thousands of people being tortured raped and murdered in iRAQ. All their freedoms are gone since Saddam and the invasions. If a terrorists use IED on the Americans, the Americans shoot and kill everyone they see on sight in retaliation. Innocent people die countlessly. You at least have teh options wether to turn on your computer for fun and amusement, you could go out any time any day and do what you like out side or inside your own home. My friend got his account deleted by Linden because he paid $10L for a title that says "  BUSY Editing Appearance)"Linden accused him of hacking the system and deleted his 2 year old account that he had spent $3500 real US dollars on. You still got your account. Enjoy your life let this experience go my friend. Good luck. |
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Ricardo Harris
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Join date: 1 Apr 2006
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10-30-2008 15:14
When it comes to money, don't ever trust anyone in sl. Actually, money or not, don't trust, period.
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Ricardo Harris
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10-30-2008 15:19
There are hundreds of thousands of people being tortured raped and murdered in iRAQ. All their freedoms are gone since Saddam and the invasions. If a terrorists use IED on the Americans, the Americans shoot and kill everyone they see on sight in retaliation. Innocent people die countlessly. Good luck. Then why don't you go to Iraq and help the poor souls there getting raped and killed. Those having their freedom taken away the by the big bad "Americans." What you're sticking into this thread has nothing to do with the op. You're just using it to print out your anti=american bullshit. Save it! |
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Damien1 Thorne
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10-30-2008 15:21
...lots of nonsense... WTF??? You revived a thread from 16 months ago to go on a silly political rant? _____________________
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Skell Dagger
Smitten
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,885
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10-30-2008 15:22
Hey bro sorry to hear you are having such a bad day.. This might help you <snip> _____________________
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Ralektra Breda
Template Painter
Join date: 7 Apr 2008
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10-30-2008 16:21
necrodude, halloween
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Kiboe Munro
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Join date: 16 Jun 2007
Posts: 338
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10-30-2008 16:35
well, as far as i know, i have never been commishioned, but, i am good freinds with the owner of a custom race-car graphics place in second life, he won't even start on the car until he recives payment, and when you ask for progress, he sends you a picture of the car sitting on shop floor.
don't get on him or they may file a harassment on you, and if you MUST send them a sample logo, do what others have said, put a bgi water mark over the logo, hell, alot of artists on dA use watermarks. |
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Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,898
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10-30-2008 17:36
I don't know how far this as got off from the original post, but the opposite always happens to me, I make someone something, I give it to the client thinking L$40 would be nice to get for that, the client says how much and I say just tip me what you think its worth, the client gives me L$1000, I'm always very happy.
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Lolita Pro
www.PhotosByLolita.com
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 273
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10-30-2008 18:33
As I offer photography services in-world, I am often asked to provide "proofs" before completion of the project. It helps to ensure I'm seeing in my mind what they see in theirs. To accomplish this, I upload the images, watermarked, to my web site and provide them a link. This does a couple of things .... it saves me a L$10 upload fee, it allows me to control where the image goes, and keeps inventories from getting cluttered. Usually, my online proofs are not completed yet, so even if they do save the target, it's not a finished work, plus it's watermarked.
As for payment, depending on the size of the job, I usually require a 50% deposit at the time that the photos are taken in-world, with the balance due upon receipt of the finished product in-world ... *AFTER* they have viewed the proofs and agreed that they meet their expectations. |
