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Annisha Pevensey
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12-15-2009 03:28
Ok its going to happen. The government announced today that they will be introducing the mandatory internet filtering system to all Australian internet users. Content that in classesd as RC (refused classification) will be blocked. SL has been refused classification in Australia. Therefore Australians would be blocked from accessing SL.

This depresses me so much .. i have met many amazing ppl on sl and i was considering starting up a Prefab buisness which im not sure i should do now. I have constantly pumped Lindens to the sl community as many aussies have. So please Lindens please give this game a rating so us Aussies can keep contributing to the vibrant community that is SL.

All aussies unite and protest against censorship of the net. We will become anohter China with no freedom of expression and no right to look at what we want on the net.

Yes i know i sound like a fanatic but im heavily against censorship in any way shape or form.

Thanks for letting me rant
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12-15-2009 03:32
Just out of interest, how would LL giving SL a classification make a difference? Also, SL would have to be X rated. Would that make it acceptable to your government?
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12-15-2009 03:40
Geez. I feel sorry for ya buddy.

Seems that Australia start to look more like the second China.
I knew they were uptight and a bit paranoia, but now this.....

Terrible.....
Annisha Pevensey
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12-15-2009 03:44
Phil maybe you have a point there...it frikking sucks and i just dont know how to beat how government anymore *sighs* Maybe ill move to New Zealand lol
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12-15-2009 03:45
From: Phil Deakins
Just out of interest, how would LL giving SL a classification make a difference? Also, SL would have to be X rated. Would that make it acceptable to your government?

I'm not Australian, but how I read it they don't have a classification over 15, so anything 18+ is illegal in game terms.
Phil Deakins
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12-15-2009 03:51
I've been reading up on it and, considering that the sites of a harmless tour operator and a Queensland dentist are already on the blacklist (incredible, but true), I wouldn't hold out much hope for SL getting off it.
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12-15-2009 04:18
I think this is a foretaste of what will happen in many other countries - possibly even the UK or USA, in future years.
Windsweptgold Wopat
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12-15-2009 04:25
Annisha its not up to LL to fight our battles its up to us contact your local members
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Phil Deakins
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12-15-2009 04:32
From: Conifer Dada
I think this is a foretaste of what will happen in many other countries - possibly even the UK or USA, in future years.
I think you are right, and it's understandable. There are some sites that should be censored, such as child porn sites. In the U.S. gambling sites might also be seen as "should be censored", since online gambling is illegal there, although that particular illegality is on a par with motherly censorship. Australia isn't the first western country to do it - apparently Denmark and others do it - and it's sure to spread.

I disagree with the OP about censorship. I'm very much in favour of it for some things; e.g. child pornography. But I think that it can, and very likely will, go much too far. From what I read, the Australian blacklist includes some Christian sites and some poker sites (is online gambling is illegal in Australia?), and I really don't want individuals deciding that "we don't want that sort of stuff here" and adding it to the list because s/he doesn't like that sort of stuff, even though that sort of stuff isn't illegal.
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12-15-2009 04:43
Presumably things like World of Warcraft and Counter Strike will be banned in Australia too. A lot of people spend a lot of time on computer games or in virtual worlds (too much time, maybe!) and are very addicted to their chosen presence in them. So I can imagine a lot of psychologically damaged game addicts in Australia - a problem that might be worse than the problems the ban is intended to combat.

I agree that censorship of the internet is good to some extent. One site that needs a lot more censorship than it has already is YouTube, where it's all too easy to accidentally find videos of fatal accidents etc. Why is that allowed - it's so sick?
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12-15-2009 04:47
SL won't be blocked. The Gov would be more stupid than it is already to do that.
Illegal sites will be blocked, ones that break Laws.
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12-15-2009 04:52
From: Phil Deakins
.... Australia isn't the first western country to do it - apparently Denmark and others do it - and it's sure to spread..

I reckon Australia is a testing ground here for furthering the censorship across the entire net. If it works here, it WILL spread.
It's what I call the "Nibble Effect". Little by little they take our freedoms away.
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Annisha Pevensey
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12-15-2009 04:52
SL will be blocked because its RC. Im also for censorship in terms of child pornography but this blacklist included abortion sites and r rated porn sites..and as one person mentioned an innocent dentists site. So it wont be just illegal sites that will be banned. Whatever the govt doesnt agree with they wil have blocked. Unfortunately religion and politics have got mixed up in our country.

Not only will sl and wow be targets but also websites such as youtube, ebay and torrent sites. Ebay and youtube have RC rated material available and thats what is going to be blocked. Its just disgusting and you know waht..most aussies dont really care about it because there apathetic morons whose only concern is when the football starts again. Sorry im really really pissed off

GRRRRRRRRRRRR
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12-15-2009 04:54
From: Conifer Dada
I think this is a foretaste of what will happen in many other countries - possibly even the UK or USA, in future years.


Yes, its exactly where the 'progressive' movement and the far right are trying to take the U.S. The 'Fairness Doctrine' and other attacks on our Constitutional rights are slowly wearing down the US citizen's freedom. Unfortunately the UK is right there with us.

This thread is an example of one of the erosion tactics they are using.... The second post in this thread says that it will never happen. I wonder what the Aussies thought about their Government taking a Chinese approach to the internet.

From: Windsweptgold Wopat
Annisha its not up to LL to fight our battles its up to us contact your local members


It is all free people's responsibility to stand together when Governments run amok.

From: Kornscope Komachi
SL won't be blocked. The Gov would be more stupid than it is already to do that.
Illegal sites will be blocked, ones that break Laws.


I hope you're right. I just can't see it unless the Aussie people make a stand with LL's help.
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12-15-2009 05:00
Where is this "Blacklist"?
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12-15-2009 05:01
From: Annisha Pevensey
SL will be blocked because its RC. Im also for censorship in terms of child pornography but this blacklist included abortion sites and r rated porn sites..and as one person mentioned an innocent dentists site. So it wont be just illegal sites that will be banned. Whatever the govt doesnt agree with they wil have blocked. Unfortunately religion and politics have got mixed up in our country.

Not only will sl and wow be targets but also websites such as youtube, ebay and torrent sites. Ebay and youtube have RC rated material available and thats what is going to be blocked. Its just disgusting and you know waht..most aussies dont really care about it because there apathetic morons whose only concern is when the football starts again. Sorry im really really pissed off

GRRRRRRRRRRRR

wow that really suck!!
so basically they are taking the internet away and giving you some watered down pg thingy that sort of looks like it..bleh they suck for this..lots of my friends are aussies!!! :mad:
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12-15-2009 05:07
There is no list yet.

http://www.dbcde.gov.au/internet/online_content_regulation
From: someone
Illegal and offensive online content is regulated through the Online Content Scheme under Schedule 5 and 7 of the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 through a complaints-based mechanism. The Scheme is designed to protect consumers, particularly children, from exposure to inappropriate or harmful material.


Somebody will have to complain first and then it must go through process.
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-15-2009 05:20
A partial list of games...http://www.refused-classification.com/Games_A-Z.htm

The only mention of SL on this site is on this page http://www.refused-classification.com/Internet_08-01to12.htm it is under the sub heading "Dr Peter John Chen Opinion piece."

From: Dr Peter John Chen
.... there are a range of fundamental problems with what Conroy is proposing.

First, it's a dumb idea. The underlying belief that computers can perfect or protect our morality smacks of a strange mixture of technological ignorance and faith. While a basic banned list of websites would reduce our exposure to "offensive" content, our use of the internet has changed since the Howard government's first forays into web censorship. The internet may be a primary source of pornography, but it is made up of an increasing array of dynamic sub-media that are not easily regulated: will these magic programs reach inside our Second Life environments and filter out the nudist avatars and saucy chats?

Will it be riding shotgun over our email and instant messaging? Will it be sitting on the ports we use for peering? Will our IP telephony be protected? The Government's proposal aims to swat flies with a hammer.

Second, the online "banned book" list is not transparent to public interest oversight in the way that attempts to ban films are. Efforts by the libertarian group Electronic Frontiers Australia to examine what has been banned in Australia have been met with considerable resistance by government. For lists maintained by private companies, Australia's weak Freedom of Information laws will be of no use: you'll not know what you're not supposed to know.

Most importantly, the idea of an invisible "safety net" that covers all Australians is troubling because it will arrest our natural development as internet users. What will putting an invisible set of training wheels on everyone's bicycle mean for our understanding of the risks and nature of our online world? The policy is reminiscent of Douglas Adams' anti-panic glasses, which turned black when confronted with something that might scare you.
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Alazarin Mondrian
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12-15-2009 05:29
This is a classic example of what happens when a crusading pressure group [in this case the 'Think of t3h Chilrunz' brigade] are turned into useful muppets of the state-corporate mind control machine. The internet is the most revolutionary thing that has happened since the printing press kicked the door open for the free dissemination of knowledge, thought, ideas and literature. At root, the reactionary forces that seek to control the internet by turning it into a policed shopping and football experience are functionally the same as the church back in the days of the Gutenberg press. The church's stranglehold was broken and the world we live in is the result of that victory. So too must the state-corporate forces of censorship be defeated as regards the internet.

I do not condone criminal websites, botnets, kiddie porn sites or whatever is the bete-noir du jour, but censorship is not the answer. Once one starts down the road of censorship one soon arrives at a sterile dead land that is of no interest to anyone. Instead the powers-that-be must go after those sites proactively and close them down. But that would require joined-up thinking and international co-operation which, sadly, is anathema to most petty power-junkies in politics today :(
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12-15-2009 05:29
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-15-2009 05:30
Does SecondLife fit within the criteria to be banned?

http://www.refused-classification.com/GamesDBNotes.htm

From: Games Censorship Database Information

REFUSED CLASSIFICATION
March 30th 2003-Present
NOTE: Computer games that exceed the MA(15+) classification category will be Refused Classification.

Films and computer games will be refused classification if they include or contain any of the following:

Crime or Violence
Detailed instruction or promotion in matters of crime or violence.
The promotion or provision of instruction in paedophile activity.
Depictions of child sexual abuse or any other exploitative or offensive depictions involving a person who is or who looks like a child under 16 years.
Gratuitous, exploitative or offensive depictions of:
(i) violence with a very high degree of impact or which are excessively frequent, prolonged or detailed;
(ii) cruelty or real violence which are very detailed or which have a high impact;
(iii) sexual violence.

Sex
Depictions of practices such as bestiality.
Gratuitous, exploitative or offensive depictions of:
(i) sexual activity accompanied by fetishes or practices which are offensive or abhorrent;
(ii) incest fantasies or other fantasies which are offensive or abhorrent.

Drug Use
Detailed instruction in the use of proscribed drugs.
Material promoting or encouraging proscribed drug use.
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12-15-2009 05:32
OMG..... they banned Duke Nukem :eek: :confused: :eek: Oh man, they really need to get a life. That must have been the only FPS with jokes and running gags.
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-15-2009 05:35
From: Alazarin Mondrian
OMG..... they banned Duke Nukem :eek: :confused: :eek: Oh man, they really need to get a life. That must have been the only FPS with jokes and running gags.

LOL one of my favorite games.

It was only the 3D version that they hacked out :confused: There isn't much consistency with the list. A valid reason for SLers to be concerned.
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12-15-2009 05:37
From: someone
think this is a foretaste of what will happen in many other countries - possibly even the UK or USA, in future years.
After all, the US banned online gambling, which is still legal in most other countries, although that had little to do with censorship and more to do with not upsetting one particular pressure group that you wouldn't want to upset, if you get my meaning.

By the way, I'm glad gambling was removed from SL, particularly because there was a very ugly casino next to my home for a while.
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12-15-2009 05:45
From: Kornscope Komachi
SL won't be blocked. The Gov would be more stupid than it is already to do that.
Illegal sites will be blocked, ones that break Laws.

You put too much faith in evil men (and women). They can pass a law tomorrow making anything illegal. In the US we used to have two main parties, the Stupid Party and the Evil Party. Now we have one mega Stupid Evil Party.
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