Court system? eeeek!!!!

Eviction isn't even really the only problem, landlords will pester tenants into abandoning the land as well: one would randomly return portions of someone's house, when she put it back, he'd terraform the land to bury her house and so on... another was banned from the sim and told he had to pay L$20k to come pick up his stuff... yet another rented 'double prim' land only to get told 2 months later that "LL has disabled that feature" and her rent would double as a result and "it's LL's fault" and many more.

I do own (lol that term is laughable) land elsewhere but I don't think I will be buying any more. I'm going to get a sim instead and join the ranks of decent sim owners.

Harking back to the original idea of the thread - an SL court system - I think it is one of the worst possible things that could happen to SL. If you think gaming traffic and land purchases and mundane griefing are bad, just wait until there is a court "system" to be gamed and corrupted.

If that ever happens, that is the day I become an outlaw in SL.

/me Starts searching for Robin Hood avatar, wonders if there are Maid Marians out there...

.... Mainland is all but extinct...

This isn't such a radical or unpopular idea. Caledon for instance was around prior to the 'deed to individual' days which resumed in earnest in summer 2006 - and we ran just fine using groups. If they were all my groups like a mainland rental it would still be okay in the long run, just a bit more work to manage.

Part of what makes all this so sticky to solve technically is that people deal outside the system. For instance, I don't use the land sale search feature whatsoever. People come by, prebook a parcel by word of honour, then gift me some $L in the following week or so. 100% trust. I deliver the region usually about a week after that, then gift the land over for $L 0 or group deed it for them.

Paradoxically perhaps - the reason people go to private estates is *because* the region owner clearly has powers over the residents. Because once the region owners can't stop someone from adfarming or doing whatever they want - you got mainland again.

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I would *love* to find a way to shut down the abusive region owners - what they do to the reputations of the rest of us is possibly even more damaging than what they do to their residents.

Jurorbots ... UGH.

This may be an idiotic and naive question, but why is Mainland on the verge of extinction? SL closing? New open/sims? Loss of residents?

I suggest you choose how to spend your money more carefully.

And which landlord would be able to rent his land if he had to put in his covenent "oh by the way, I can take your land and keep your money any time I want to on a whim, and I'm telling you this because there are people in SL too lazy or stupid to work it out for themselves".

Harking back to the original idea of the thread - an SL court system - I think it is one of the worst possible things that could happen to SL. If you think gaming traffic and land purchases and mundane griefing are bad, just wait until there is a court "system" to be gamed and corrupted.

If that ever happens, that is the day I become an outlaw in SL.

/me Starts searching for Robin Hood avatar, wonders if there are Maid Marians out there...

It didn't sound like you had a choice, you would have ended up in the same boat as TC and me otherwise.

Jay if you haven't booted anyone with prejudice by your region's 1 year anniversary, contact me inworld. I'll send you $L enough to buy you a Guinness in your area (provided it's not bootlegged in on a camel or something). I'm serious! Cheers and good luck.

Harking back to the original idea of the thread - an SL court system - I think it is one of the worst possible things that could happen to SL. If you think gaming traffic and land purchases and mundane griefing are bad, just wait until there is a court "system" to be gamed and corrupted.

How will it be gamed and corrupted? Hint: It hasn't even been defined yet.

Define it, and the gaming and corruption will follow almost immediately.

Heh, jurorbots! : )

Hint: There are not enough potential LL employees in San Francisco or the Bay area to handle the caseload of complaints that would almost instantly appear - and that's just the genuine ones, not the false accusations.

None of what I suggested changes anything about the "absolute control" of a sim owner over his/her sim though, it simply suggests shifting the balance of the agreement somewhat to give the tenant some protection against an abusive sim owner. Or in my opinion anyway, I can think of a few other things I'm less fond of, but that would accomplish the same thing yet do nothing to keep you from reclaiming land should you need to.

Although I don't think it would do enough (people grant debit permissions to stuff though even though you have a big "scary" pop-up) I think not being informed is probably the very core though.

If someone knows and understands what could happen if their sim owner turns out bad but decides that his/her reputation is enough to make that an acceptable risk or for whatever other reason doesn't mind loosing out on the initial cost then that is perfectly alright.

Eviction isn't even really the only problem, landlords will pester tenants into abandoning the land as well: one would randomly return portions of someone's house, when she put it back, he'd terraform the land to bury her house and so on... another was banned from the sim and told he had to pay L$20k to come pick up his stuff... yet another rented 'double prim' land only to get told 2 months later that "LL has disabled that feature" and her rent would double as a result and "it's LL's fault" and many more.

It was awful to have to listen one horror story after another and only be able to offer the ever helpful, "I'm sorry, but LL just won't do anything about what is essentially a resident disputes... there's nothing you can do". None of those people had any idea that the sim owner could/would do what they do, and if they did know they assumed LL would intervene. These things shouldn't be able to happen in the first place, let alone go unpunished by LL's "hands off" approach when they do happen.

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Jay, I wonder if he is reporting his income to the IRS?