Court system? eeeek!!!!

I hate the thought of a court in sl, but.

I know there are 2 or 3 sides to a story. Bottom line is, I was told I had to sell my land or move by the sim owner. I bought this ocean front land 12/06, as an investment. My house was built by Troy Vogel of Univ of Texas. The house was a tribute to Franky Lloyd Wright and free access to all. I loved my house and land.

Sim owner had a huge disagreement w 3 other residents, who are my friends. One sold and moved and was banned at the sim during her surprise bday party there. One tried to defend and wanted explaination, he was banned, his house sent to him..and he had just paid his tier fee the day before. Another the same thing. Due to my friendship w these people I've known my entire sl life, I was told to sell or move. Whats with that?

Fearing loss of entire investment, I sadly sold my land on Thursday.

Are there rights posted anywhere? Does this happen often? are we as land owners subject to the mental health of a sim owner? Just wondering.
skycat

If you are living on covenant land you have ZERO rights to that land.

You have only the privileges the estate owner deems give you, for only as long as the estate owner chooses.

It is the usual thing; as far as LL is concerned you are not landowners, you are just giving money to another resident, and they do not regulate in-world commerce (well, not very much, certainly not in this instance).

Luckily no.



Yes.

Matthew

The bright side is he allowed you to sell the land, he could have just taken it back with no compensation.

That's just sad. And it leaves those of us who want to go premium and purchase land to nothing but mainland or the purchase of an island which in my case is totally unaffordable. Mainland is all but extinct. So what options are there? Buy from a whimsical person and have no recourse should the original sim owner go wacky in their wicky woo? Meh...all this is starting to add up to me not investing money for anything other than $L

I would be nice to have a way to view the renting/purchase history on island sims. Maybe a permanent place, untouchable by the island owner, for people to leave feedback on how the land owner has treated them. I mean we hear these stories every so often on the forums but how many other islands out there have bad owners that we are simply unaware of? This particular case by the OP actually doesn't sound like a truly abusive land owner but I would like to know of such cases before I have to deal with a particular island owner.

I would suggest if looking for covenant land; look for some with a very small "purchase price" therefore if the estate own wigs out and evicts you you don't lose much.

FOr this reason alone I have refused to ever deal with covenanted land. I will cope with the mainland which can be not so horrible to live in if you pick your area carefully, Build wisely and just accept that you will have the odd stranger wander in.

My Partner and I did own an island for awhile but never leased out our land. We knew that as soon as we couldnt afford it anymore we would sell the island. Sadly that happened about a year ago. We were nervouse as heck to move back to the mainland. I can honestly say after a year...it isnt bad at all.

I think searching this forum will reveal some recommendations. Also, talk to others who have had good (and perhaps bad) experiences. I am 100% satisfied with my two parcels, the estate owner, and the estate managers. I purchased after hearing great things about the owner, primarily from this forum.

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One tried to defend and wanted explaination, he was banned, his house sent to him..and he had just paid his tier fee the day before.

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Doesn't sound like an abusive land owner to you? Really? Aside from the fact that the tier fee was paid the day before? This is precisely what keeps me from buying land from a land owner. I've read this before. I don't want to be at the mercy of a landowner's whims. At the very least I would expect that the tier be refunded after such an outburst, regardless of the reasons for eviction.

Sadly for you

As been stated by other residents .

You never owned the land.


As hard a lesson as it seems Move on and either "buy" and own a whole island "Estate"

or buy and own ( as long as you pay tier to LL ) on the mainland.

the only problem with doing that is you get a black list and people get put on black lists for sometimes no reason at all but dislikes ..it is very easy to lie about someone else in sl..i know it sounds like a good idea for these lists but they always end up as blackmail devices..

Rights posted - some regions have these. But who enforces them? For instance, there are avatar rights in my regions, but I'm also the one that sees that they are enforced - and I'm the so-called region owner. So there's the conundrum.

Does this happen often... sadly, often enough. But never even once, on many decent estates. Do the research.

"Are we as land owners subject to the mental health of the sim owner" - well, I think this tragic mess is pretty much proof positive that you never owned anything in the first place. It's just plain deceptive to represent to anyone that they 'own' anything on a private estate. Did that happen, or did you assume it was ownership? There's the root of the problem, sadly. And yeah, seems everyone is subject to the whim of the estate owners when push comes to shove. Although there might be recourse in a real court, it's price-prohibitive to do so, so... icky situation.

As for a court - you have now landed this in the 'court of public opinion' ... which is not necessarily a good thing.

There are two sides to every story, but not necessarily two true sides. Either side can say anything. There is no discovery of fact, no evidence provable, no way for anyone to ascertain what was said inworld or out. Even worse, someone well liked on a forum could spend a little social capital and you could be shouted down by the follow-along mob, even if you were 110% in the right. An inworld court would be no better - in fact, likely worse.

We have no idea what got the estate owner's knickers in a twist... and it's probably best that you don't tell us.

What I would recommend, is gather any and all chatlogs, take statements, gather it all together and DO submit an abuse report to the Company stating very clearly what happened, what evidence you have and what would be appropriate compensation (I doubt you want to return to the estate!). The Company reserves the right not to get involved, but they also may choose to do so if the abuse is very, very egregious.

I'm not just making that up. I have helped a friend submit an abuse report over mainland that was accidentally sold for $L 0 (it was a 'sell to anyone' mistake, she was trying to transfer it to her alt) - and yes, as unbelievable as it may seem, she got her land back with Company assistance. Helped out by the fact that the person who got the land was clearly abusive in chat.

Good luck in finding justice, to you and all parties involved.

As You know Bree we used to have a "Rating" system .. spoke volumes about a particular resident .. but this was removed 9/10 months ago because it was a "Strain ( mt own words) on the search engine.

Not sure what you mean by extinct. Are there less parcels available? Mainland is far better now that ad farms have become a less effective way of greifing. I rather like my mainland parcel - or at least I did when I could run viewer.

Aw shit Skycat....that sucks!

To my knowledge....sadly we are all at the mercy of the whims and or tantrums of private sim owners. I can't even fathom being so childish as to boot or ban people just because of having a disagreement with their friends......that is so jeuvenile it's beyond comprehension. I think, in some cases....SL causes people to regress, I really do.

((((((hugs)))))

My neighbor is wanting to sell or rent his 2 parcels, 4096sq each. So far, the sim we're on has been wonderful....even changed owners and it's still been a great place Saraluv....there's a few parcels available there right now actually.

Hey...if they came up with a court system....I'd take jury duty. LOL But the idea of an SL better business bureau is sounding more and more appealing. There has got to be a way to enforce some kind of business conduct codes....I mean...Personally I like the idea of a public feedback (like ebay) so whether buying or selling... you can sift thru comments made on the individual's behavior, and make your own decision about doing business with them.

Look at a Sim, if it's like ours people have invested a lot of time, money and imagination in building their homes and the enviroment around their homes. This means that not only does the whole sim look good but people seem to try to get along with the neighbours. Now the Sim owner employs Estate Managers to oversee all of his Sims so that means any problems or glitches are delt with quicky.

Sounds like utopia well not far off it but even then a former tenant who was unceremonly kicked off will disagree BUT a lot of what happens happens behind the scene so to say. So we who have lived there for a long time and never had any issues (the Covenant rules as basic ones to prevent people annoying others ie no sky build lower than 250 etc). As a Sim owner empty plots means loss of income so if they kick you off then it's either because they feel they have a genuine reason OR they are NUTS.

So basically I would say to anyone thinking of renting something bigger than a stamp, have a look and see what others have done, and simply ask them what they think of the service they get off the Sim owner.

Sorry Weston - not sniping at mainland. By extinct I mean almost impossible to obtain anymore.

I think power goes to some people's heads.

There are lots of parcels available on mainland, by the way.

And also a number of good landlords who would never do such a thing as that. (Just ask around.)

coco

I was the person who questioned the sim owner on why he chose to wait a month and ban a girl on her surprise birthday party held on the land I had. He started to get abusive when he said it was purely out of business interests and I said how is that a business interest, he told me that I was now attacking his business and was a little bitch. after a few crossed words I was ejected and he reclaimed the land back. I tried to reason with him and sent him emails and notecards that were pretty nice under the circumstances but he refuses to even answer them and instead tell friends and other people I slandered him and then goes and says to these people complete lies about my personal life.

While Linden Labs might not want to get involved I will be questioning their business ethics. It isn't right for him to use their service to copy and paste parts of an IM to other people to paint himself a better picture and they will warn him but to use their service to rip people off is totally fine? I will be writing to LL and also have a few aces up my sleeve that he won't like, he picked the wrong person to go crazy on.

And the point of bringing this posturing to these forums is... ?

if he was copying and pasting im's of you then he has broken the TOS..AR him sweetie

Estate land vs mainland, age old discussion, but what happened to you could have been worse, could have also been better, some estate owners hold thier covenants like the law, Covenants should be both to protect the estate owner and protect the residents, its a garantee and a contract between the two...so many times I have heard about those covenants being broken by the estate owner themself, which is many times worse than the resident breaking covenants...

Should move on be happy that you did sell your land, and be thankful you learned a little better how to find a reputable estate owner.. If you find the good estate owners, your SL expereince will be much better than if you where on mainland, but you need to find that reputable estate owner first

We need Judge Judy in world with her own courtroom.
Can see the desputs about prim baby paternity and mega prim abuse now.......