Needing to get something off my chest!

Yes turning off fly and making create, script or what not group only enabled doesn't work with planes,etc because they can still fly if they start on their own land or somewhere script enabled.
Scripts enabled often with certain scripts still work if you have it on before you go to that spot.
I don't know if it got as bad for me as it is for OP I probably would have sold everything or abandon land and left by now.
I have my cranky moments with SL luckily nothing that bad has happen yet...knock on wood though.

I have a feeling that she AR'd the partner tons of times (fruitlessly) and that encroachment was the last straw, except that the partner didn't have a clue (or did he? need more info). So much for investigations (maybe)! There is no way that a suspension should come just for a first-time removal of an encroaching object.

But let's remember a few things here: while you are entitled to do what you want on your own land, save for TOS violations, you need to be considerate of your neighbors. Shouting objects? Bad. Excessive campers? Bad. God knows what else she AR'd you for. But you need to take this up with LL, because this "investigation" process for ARs sounds like bullshit.

I don't know exactly how LL does investigations but from somethings I have heard it makes me wonder if they investigate very deeply due to time or other things going on because there has been new trend of Griefers upping the ante and using AR tools now against those they are griefing for fun, and often usually its the person the Griefer goes into the land causes problems when they defend themselves from intruder get assault charge related bans.
Shouting objects are annoying but it seems years prior we forced to ignore those complaints and we were pretty forced to live with them.
Anyone who has to listen to shouting objects for any period time and isn't bother by them must just not get how annoying it is to others. Truthfully I wish they outlaw them but I still feel for OP.
The neighbor still could have sent a notecard to her even she was muted if there had been major issue though.
It is weird how LL says it doesn't get involved in resident disputes yet there seems to be rash of them getting involved in protecting griefers,etc.

then i would make my section of land damage enabled and put a big gun on the roof shooting down anything the flew in it's range lol

seriously i would have probably just moved by now and gotten away from mainland and moved to one of my friends commercial islands and bought..
let someone that is less tolerant deal with them after i move away.

or a sensor with group detection and if not in the right group, insta kill them

bad idea for a shop tho

Yes but if you shot it down and they AR-ed you for shooting them down depending on which Linden you got you could be suspended for day or more for assault even though its your land or you're the land manager.
Problem is you spent more then 8$L a meter on land and price has dropped you won't get your investment back or even enough to get same amount of land.

I don't know the particulars of this thing at all. But, I can sympathize a little with the OP. Anyone owning land on mainland knows (or should know) that anything and everything can and often does change. The OP states that her build was there first. That means the other side knew it when they bought that land. Pretty brazen of that person to demand anything of the OP. The OP evidently has a business that some may consider objectionable.........but the OP has tried beyond anything I would have done to ease the other party's issues. The encroahment deal, I feel, was an accident.........I've done it myself (as I'm sure many of you have too). It just sounds to me that we have a "do gooder" who demands thing their way...........or else. The other party suggesting the OP move is probably the most maddening thing I've read in this thread.........what right does that person have? What self rightous gall to even suggest such a thing? Then some saying "well, maybe you should consider moving". That's BS. The OP has every right to run his/her business as he/she sees fit as long as it is within the TOS and CS. The OP has every right to run that business in peace. It' no one's business if the build is ugly or the type of business not "main stream". It's Mainland, for God's sake!!

I'm probably speaking from a slight bias. I have had neighbors bitch about my "build" on my property in the past. A small house on my meager 512 plot that I neglected to texture on the outside. I purposely left the house untextured for over 6 months after those IM's........just for spite. I also had some "do gooder" decide that my barren plot was ugly when I did move my house to 700 meters........decided they could put a few Linden trees on my land to make it look "nice". Guess what I did.............I returned the trees and terraformed to a really ugly chunk of land. I'm contrary, I know...........but it's my land. And for the OP.......do what you want but stay within the TOS and CS. Thumb your nose at them.

We don't use many moving objects. No moving lights, no moving dance floor..no moving dance machine. No endless shouts from objects. Some of the past games made a ringing noise if lindens was paid but it was only one game not rows of them. As far as clubs go we work like hell to have it as lag free as possible without the endless shouting items. We also state to those that work in the club not to endlessly shout. So it isn't on our part that we are not trying to work things out.

As far as a club goes in a mainland, we are perhaps one of the ones you would want then some of the others I have been too. I bought my land there when lindens first opened the sims and I didn't have neighbors..it was open land. So if I move and have to do all that setting up..changing everything it only means I still face neighbors that could complain and I am at step one to begin with.

The owner that owns the sims and land on the sims I am on just wants it to be residential..if that was the case she shouldn't of bought the land to begin with in my opinion. She should of only bought residential land. Not land that is open to commercial as well. Do I have to mention that her residents even come to events at our place as well? Crazy. No, she is simply using muscle power to push me out and Lindens is giving her the power to do it. but I will still do my endless AR reporting..and they will continue to be given to deaf ears by lindens while we remain getting harassed. Its the linden way.

you missed the part below that where i said seriously lol
i would have just moved on..if it was that much of a headache i would have taken a loss if my company was doing well and moved to a more peaceful enjoyable area..

if i recouped i recouped.. if i didn't i didn't.. i know i would be a lot happier after the move.

just build a skyscraper in the bordering corner and make some textures that there will be store space for rent soon™ (aka tos lovin)

been in your position when i owned 1/4th mainland sim
build a HUGE wall on my border (0.01) with brick texture on her side and snapshot an ocean view quickly

she moved overnight as she couldn`t live next to a 85m tall wall surrounding her on 2 borders, that was 19-20 months ago tho, no idea what lindens would do now

DON'T SHOOT!

Put up a weapon that auto ejects non group members. I was playing around with one of those once, changed my group and forgot about it and couldn't get on my land for hours till I figured out what I'd done.

The thing that is really annoying is that LL must get constant complaints like this and it must never occur to them to create private parcels smaller then a sim for those not wanting to pay for a whol sim, such as selling private islands starting at a 1/4 sim that can be added onto or moved if necessary.


Instead, it puts people with small businesses in the position to either be at the mercy of an Estate owners and other teneant on a private sim, or using mainland where some people are absolute turds and start harrassment over whatever they don't like. And all of that bickering is all fair game to LL.

I think LL would increase their profit from land sales with a new system that had entry level sims 1/4 the size with equal prims for the size.

Its just not worth the hassle of always being at the mercy of the certain percentage of nasty idiots. As a renter, even if things are good for a while, things change, new people appear, estate owners sell and everything is turned upside down or on the mainland it can be like living in other people's slums.

LL sets people up for failure and there is no semblance of workable protection for anyone unless you become a 1 sim estate holder or higher.

Rebecca what a perfect idea. I wish SL had means of selling islands to match peoples needs. I would fill in an order today. I just don't have the want for a full sims right now. Especially with the economy the way it is. I bet 1/2 sims would sell like hotcakes!! Especially if given full sim ownership rights etc. Great idea!!

I bet they weren't really Linden plants; I don't think there's any way to get them to stick on land for which one doesn't have explicit permission to "Landscape with Linden Plants" (or whatever it's called). The thing is, though, if they were able to put any kind of trees there, they may have been trying to do the sim a favor by filling the parcel with innocuous prims to defeat prim griefing.

They surely should have tried to contact you first and afterwards, but I've resorted to this same desperate measure when neighbors don't reply to multiple IMs and the "word on the street" forecasts a major griefing attack, and the neighboring parcel is set to allow either build or object entry without auto-return. I've failed to do this too many times, and still have stray griefer crap scattered over absentee neighbor parcels to show for it, over a year after it was rezzed. (I'm sure those neighbors are long gone from SL, too; there must be some horrendous "leak" in the process of reclaiming land from lapsed accounts.)

[Edit: Forgot to add a comment about the sale of sub-sim sized standalone units. I think it would be great, too, for my purposes, and this idea has been around a long time--peaking with the upgrade of OpenSpace sims which would be good candidates for this. But the very idea gives current Estate owners panic seizures whenever the subject comes up--and it's not difficult to see why.]

and then you would have 16 sims per core or 64 sims per server

if people complain about voids as it is, what do you think will happen then?

Yes I know I just mentioned it as warning because they seem to have changed how they deal with land owners and managers who shoot at people sometimes even the Griefers.
I have lost 100k in move once but it was to go to better situation, sometimes the choice is hard to make.

Your argument may have held water IF the neighbour HAD NOT bought the property with the "garish" building etc in existance already.

What a headache for you. First she was ballsy to come through your property telling you what you should do. Is she paying your tier? No. You gave an inch to her and she took a mile. The only thing that would be a pain imo would be the shouts. With that fixed she has no rights to tell you what to do, as long as this is the full story. I wouldnt sell and move its your place. She just may be harassing you and AR her.

I think I've been traumatized by the presence of prim bewbs in SL...they're the first thing I think of every time I see this thread title.

So LL has to fix it so it will work of course. It's not as though {Insert Deity name here} SAID You must have X amount of sims per core. In fact it's human error.

Its absurd as it is. I would guess that many thousands of people who just don't bother with running a small business because they already know from experience, they are either stuck renting on a private island or stuck on mainland with at least one hysterical and nasty neighbor or a constant changing scenery where some new nasty neighbor will appear. Not eveyone wants or needs a whole sim or more on such a risky thing as startup SL businesses. No one wants or needs the aggravation of nasty people causing constant discord and the threat of instability of your business location or stability of some other estate owner and their other tenents.

This would solve the OP's problem and the problems of thousands of people.

In RL or in SL, overspending or undercapitization of any kind of startup business meets a brick wall. How many people have bought sims and are stuck in overspending to begin with and then the biz fails?

Ask your neighbor what she has against you. Ask her is she is trying to force you to leave. Ask her is she has ARed the other neighbors like she has done with you. Ask her what she did to get your partner suspended.

Then copy and paste the whole blurb in an AR for harassment.

1. Fix the Encroachment (you probably already have).
2. Get on with your business
3. Treat all new situations by doing the minimum to get back to running your business

I think attitudes like this have done more to ruin the mainland than ad farms have