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04-23-2009 21:01

From: Boy Lane

As we just had a long discussion in SLU and assumptions were confirmed: KirstenLee's viewer calls home to pull the startup picture from one of his servers. By doing so it counts user statistics and it collects your IP address. If and what the connection may be used else for we don't know as KLee doesn't provide sources in violation of GPL.

Your post implies that Kirsten's viewer is specifically setup to gather user information, it is not.

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04-23-2009 21:10

From: Angel Leviathan

Your post implies that Kirsten's viewer is specifically setup to gather user information, it is not.

Well, unless you are KLee or you are in possession of the sources I think your statement is unsubstantiated.

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04-23-2009 21:11

Having the source for the viewer wouldn't tell you what use is made of the information it sends by the program receiving it, would it?

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04-23-2009 21:17

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

Having the source for the viewer wouldn't tell you what use is made of the information it sends by the program receiving it, would it?

Certainly not, but it would at least tell you what information is sent to the collecting server, if any at all.

The question here is not really about if and what is sent to a server owned by KLee. It is rather that *something* is sent to a 3rd party, which claimed to have removed calling home features he blamed SL for, by only replacing them with his own. We can speculate, it's pretty pointless.

The main issue here is that KLee does not provide the sources for a software that carries a clear GPL license he accepted by using the code. And it is a commercially viable code that can facilitate financial transactions.

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04-23-2009 21:18

From: Boy Lane

As we just had a long discussion in SLU and assumptions were confirmed: KirstenLee's viewer calls home to pull the startup picture from one of his servers. By doing so it counts user statistics and it collects your IP address. If and what the connection may be used else for we don't know as KLee doesn't provide sources in violation of GPL.

Have you or others confirmed that it does not include, say, passwords in such communcation? Tough to know that it never will, of course, without the source code...

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04-23-2009 21:22

From: Love Hastings

Have you or others confirmed that it does not include, say, passwords in such communcation? Tough to know that it never will, of course, without the source code...

I don't imply that KLee does anything malicious. And I'm certain no passwords are sent across as this would mean some real changes in the code that take some real effort

. These are all side factors that may be introduced without anyone noticing. That's why I think it is so important to be transparent and provide sources.

I tried to install Ethereal scanner to look into the comms ongoing, but I can't get it to install. The installer seems to be broken. If anyone knows where to get a working version or perhaps another network scanner please let me know.

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Dain Shan

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04-23-2009 22:26

How about

http://www.wireshark.org/

I have good results with this one

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04-24-2009 00:47

Thanks Dain, just installed that.

The viewer creates a connection to 66.249.89.99 which belongs to Google and resolves to bloggerphotos.l.google.com. That's only at the very startup, so may indeed be just pulling that cheat sheet (which BTW is not KLee's work but comes from http://www.kippiefriedkin.com/2008/07/25/second-life-viewer-cheatsheet).

I did not try further if there are more/other connections made as too much data is exchanged.

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Ovaltine Constantine

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04-24-2009 00:53

Let's just say...yay! This is the first time I've actually gotten shadows to work. (They didn't work for me with the last shadow viewer.) And surprisingly it doesn't bring my frame rate down by too much. (Not that my frame rate was that high to begin with.)

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04-24-2009 01:30

I'm still wondering if anyone got shadows working on a card ending with an S like 8800GS or 8800GTS.

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Dain Shan

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04-24-2009 01:59

All i can say is:
I have an 9800GT and every shadow viewer (regardless which one) crashes for me while logging in.

Sometime at the "connect to region" stage sometimes a bit later.
So far i followed any tip i could find in the various forums.. it just wont work.
Well guess i have to wait for a later release.

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04-24-2009 02:16

/me has an 8800GTS and shadows work for me.

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04-24-2009 02:45

@Dain
Do you use a non-english windows? If so set the decimal comma to a dot. Also try to update to the latest drivers.

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Dain Shan

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04-24-2009 02:53

/me slaps himself with a fresh trout

NARF i TOTALLY forget about this..
I will try it when im home again.

Thanks for the hint !!!

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04-24-2009 06:10

Just for info ..
Drivers i had the newswet installed.
Changing the region sheme diddnt worked.

Boy Lane

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04-24-2009 07:16

@Dain
Could you get my shadow viewer working? That has a different OpenGL implementation than LL/KLee's viewer.
http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/shadow-viewer-1-23-windows-and-linux

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Dain Shan

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04-24-2009 08:18

Hey

Nope .. neighter of the two work.
I really think i might have to wait for the next release round.
No worries, i think i belong to the more patient side of things

Many thanks for the suggestions, i know i would have bitten myself if i diddnt try everything

Kirsten 17 ShadowViewer
Angel Leviathan X Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 440	04-23-2009 21:01 From: Boy Lane As we just had a long discussion in SLU and assumptions were confirmed: KirstenLee's viewer calls home to pull the startup picture from one of his servers. By doing so it counts user statistics and it collects your IP address. If and what the connection may be used else for we don't know as KLee doesn't provide sources in violation of GPL. Your post implies that Kirsten's viewer is specifically setup to gather user information, it is not.
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-23-2009 21:10 From: Angel Leviathan Your post implies that Kirsten's viewer is specifically setup to gather user information, it is not. Well, unless you are KLee or you are in possession of the sources I think your statement is unsubstantiated. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	04-23-2009 21:11 Having the source for the viewer wouldn't tell you what use is made of the information it sends by the program receiving it, would it? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-23-2009 21:17 From: SuezanneC Baskerville Having the source for the viewer wouldn't tell you what use is made of the information it sends by the program receiving it, would it? Certainly not, but it would at least tell you what information is sent to the collecting server, if any at all. The question here is not really about if and what is sent to a server owned by KLee. It is rather that something is sent to a 3rd party, which claimed to have removed calling home features he blamed SL for, by only replacing them with his own. We can speculate, it's pretty pointless. The main issue here is that KLee does not provide the sources for a software that carries a clear GPL license he accepted by using the code. And it is a commercially viable code that can facilitate financial transactions. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Love Hastings #66666 Join date: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 4,094	04-23-2009 21:18 From: Boy Lane As we just had a long discussion in SLU and assumptions were confirmed: KirstenLee's viewer calls home to pull the startup picture from one of his servers. By doing so it counts user statistics and it collects your IP address. If and what the connection may be used else for we don't know as KLee doesn't provide sources in violation of GPL. Have you or others confirmed that it does not include, say, passwords in such communcation? Tough to know that it never will, of course, without the source code... _____________________
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-23-2009 21:22 From: Love Hastings Have you or others confirmed that it does not include, say, passwords in such communcation? Tough to know that it never will, of course, without the source code... I don't imply that KLee does anything malicious. And I'm certain no passwords are sent across as this would mean some real changes in the code that take some real effort . These are all side factors that may be introduced without anyone noticing. That's why I think it is so important to be transparent and provide sources. I tried to install Ethereal scanner to look into the comms ongoing, but I can't get it to install. The installer seems to be broken. If anyone knows where to get a working version or perhaps another network scanner please let me know. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Dain Shan Registered User Join date: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 32	04-23-2009 22:26 How about http://www.wireshark.org/ I have good results with this one
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-24-2009 00:47 Thanks Dain, just installed that. The viewer creates a connection to 66.249.89.99 which belongs to Google and resolves to bloggerphotos.l.google.com. That's only at the very startup, so may indeed be just pulling that cheat sheet (which BTW is not KLee's work but comes from http://www.kippiefriedkin.com/2008/07/25/second-life-viewer-cheatsheet). I did not try further if there are more/other connections made as too much data is exchanged. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Ovaltine Constantine Registered User Join date: 28 Jul 2008 Posts: 179	04-24-2009 00:53 Let's just say...yay! This is the first time I've actually gotten shadows to work. (They didn't work for me with the last shadow viewer.) And surprisingly it doesn't bring my frame rate down by too much. (Not that my frame rate was that high to begin with.) _____________________ My Items On XStreet
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-24-2009 01:30 I'm still wondering if anyone got shadows working on a card ending with an S like 8800GS or 8800GTS. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Dain Shan Registered User Join date: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 32	04-24-2009 01:59 All i can say is: I have an 9800GT and every shadow viewer (regardless which one) crashes for me while logging in. Sometime at the "connect to region" stage sometimes a bit later. So far i followed any tip i could find in the various forums.. it just wont work. Well guess i have to wait for a later release.
Ovaltine Constantine Registered User Join date: 28 Jul 2008 Posts: 179	04-24-2009 02:16 /me has an 8800GTS and shadows work for me. _____________________ My Items On XStreet
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-24-2009 02:45 @Dain Do you use a non-english windows? If so set the decimal comma to a dot. Also try to update to the latest drivers. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Dain Shan Registered User Join date: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 32	04-24-2009 02:53 /me slaps himself with a fresh trout NARF i TOTALLY forget about this.. I will try it when im home again. Thanks for the hint !!!
Dain Shan Registered User Join date: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 32	04-24-2009 06:10 Just for info .. Drivers i had the newswet installed. Changing the region sheme diddnt worked.
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-24-2009 07:16 @Dain Could you get my shadow viewer working? That has a different OpenGL implementation than LL/KLee's viewer. http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/shadow-viewer-1-23-windows-and-linux _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Dain Shan Registered User Join date: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 32	04-24-2009 08:18 Hey Nope .. neighter of the two work. I really think i might have to wait for the next release round. No worries, i think i belong to the more patient side of things Many thanks for the suggestions, i know i would have bitten myself if i diddnt try everything

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