objects not transferred with land sale

i am in rl work at this moment so can't get in to sl to check but ...

i have land set for sale to a particular individual. it is set to "sell objects with land".

i just got an email/IM from this avi. she bought the land but says that NONE of the objects transferred to her.

is this possible?

Sure, if the objects are notrans.

i checked and rechecked the items before i set to sale. they are all transferable ... even the linden trees.

Only if all the objects were no transfer. I have set land to people and then reset and forgot to check include objects the second time. Is is possible you did that and forgot?

You can have her resell you the land and then resell it again to her with the box checked.

they ALL have to be transferable? even if i missed one or two items, the free linden trees should have transfered ownership, no?

If the land was group-owned (not specified so may not apply), and the objects on the land are in your name... would they even transfer at all since they don't match the land owner as far as SL is concerned?

Additionally, there's always been occassional reports/complaints of "Sell objects with land" failing so I'm not sure if it's ever truly reliable.

the land was group owned. and the objects were set to group. but owned by me. is that the problem?

Probably. You can't transfer that which you do not own.

Yep. there's your answer. You needed to buy back the land and objects before you sold.

so... i need to buy back the land in my name - not the group. and then re-sell?

Yes, but you would have to be wary of tiering up in case you are maxed out at your level.

Honestly, I would just pick up the items and give to her. Not worth the risk unless you have sufficient gap in your tier.

If you are selling "your" objects with the land, then it's a lot simpler to buy the land from the group for L$0 - carefully
Remove enough tier donation from the group before you buy it back from the group.
Objects that are 'Set to Group' are still in your ownership.

Group ownership of objects is a pain. It's best to avoid deeding to group unless it's absolutely essential.
( /me remembers swearing a lot after being stung by permissions on objects deeded to group)

An added bonus of selling the land from your ownership is that you get the cash immediately the sale goes through. If the sale is from the group then it takes about a day before the cash gets to the group members entitled to a share of it.

Very helpful as always, Sling.

Just set the items for sale for 0L while the buyer is there. That's the easiest way to avoid the over-tier problem for you.

Tell her not to set autoreturn just yet.

thanks all.

osprey, i've already begged her not to set auto return on.

calvin, i thought about "selling" the items to her. but there are hundreds of items involved. it's a 9K plot of land fully landscaped. trees, water, pavillions, animals, etc. it's a monumental task i'd rather not put HER thru since this is pretty much my fault not hers.

cristalle, yeah .. i'm gonna have to tier up to buy the land in my own name. 4 ppl contribute tier to the group. i can't cover the land with my own full tier alone. i'll chalk it up to the "cost" of selling this property.

sling, i know the pain and the pleasure of group ownership. i'll have to wait until tomorrow when i get the group assets in order to buy the land back.

again, thanks all. this is my first time selling land WITH objects. all my other buys and sells have been for bare land. no problems there. this is a real learning experience for me. one i surely won't forget.

Egon, Don't do it!!

Just subtract the tier from your group temporarily first - LL will not swoop your land right away. Once it is bought and resold, restore your tier to the proper level. NO need to pay extra for this!

If you can't cover it all in one shot, do it in pieces and make her join the land later.

Ouch!
I can see that Egon has not enough tier donated to cover the entire area.
Breaking the land into pieces could spring some nasty surprises depending how the prims are distributed around the overall parcel.
The potential problem is that you end up with a sub-parcel that has not sufficient prim-allocation to support the prims that are on it. The shortfall could either be in the plot you are cutting off, or on the plot remaining after the cut.
If that happens then some arbitrary collection of prims are going to get returned to Inventory.

Tiering up for a month might be less stressful overall.


Edit:

Although, on second thoughts ....... it's late night / early morning for me ... is my excuse ....

If there's a shortfall in the prim allocation for the parcels, that would only become a issue if the parcel changed ownership. While all parcels have the same owner the prim allocation is shared across the parcels.
You could experiment with cutting and checking the prim count v. prims supported in About Land. Concentrate on the biggest builds and cut enough land around them to support their prims.
If there isn't some huge single build, you might be able to transfer the whole thing in sections. It would be a pain though.
- Cut all the parcels
- Buy the first and sell it
- Buy the next and sell it
- lose concentration and sell it to to a bot .....

Who has tier they can donate until this crisis is resolved?

Is this "don't try to sell group land to transfer personally-owned objects" problem covered in the "How to Transfer Land" sticky?

I have some tier I could lend, but this parcel of land all has to pass through Egon's ownership; if he has other land he wants to park somewhere to free up tier while executing this transaction, then I'd be glad to help.

I have about 1500 free that I can donate.

I have the tier for this if still needed.

I hate to break it to you, but that is PRECICELY what you'll have to do.

Not your fault. It's the Linden's fault. Linden 1-prim plants placed in-world DO NOT TRANSFER WITH THE LAND SALE. No matter what setting you use. Prim trees and plants, houses, hot tubs... all that will transfer, if it is owned by you and not deeded to a group. But all that landscaping? The only way to transfer that is by you selling her each tree and shrub individually. Even if there are thousands of them. I've had to do it for multiple SIMS. A 9K parcel is nothing... Imagine every plant in two whole sims... *shudder*

Pro sim developers and landscapers have begged and pleaded with LL to fix this issue with transferring ownership of placed in-world content for YEARS, and the only solution we have right now is to lock down the parcel so only the client and the seller can enter, and to walk together to each item and sell each one for L$0 to the new owner.

Until LL provides a mechanism for "Sell all content on this parcel owned by player A to player B for xxx L$", we're stuck with a very tedious task.

I was going to suggest splitting the plot up till someone beat me to it. Can tier be donated to a single avatar rather than a group? I pick up something new every time we have a thread like this.

The tier donation is based on the premise that Egon is at a tier level that would cover all of the land in question, but has tier donated to other groups as well as to the one owning the sale plot.
The people volunteering to donate tier would donate tier to any groups that Egon is currently donating to. Egon could then withdraw all tier from groups and use it to cover the land in sale.

However, if it's the case that Egon's tier level would cover the area in sale, then he could simply withdraw all donations temporarily, and re-donate it when the sale was complete.
The groups would go into negative tier temporarily.
No donations from third parties would actually be necessary.

It is rumoured/believed/certain (take your pick there!) that groups can go into negative tier without anything bad happening immediately. Apparently LL will message the group owners after they (LL) get around to noticing the situation. Apparently the group would be given 72 hours to either increase tier or decrease land.

It was rumoured (sometime back in this Forum) that some land barons use this to move a negative tier situation around a series of groups.