Objects that interact with SL water - Broken since H4??

LL gave lots of head's up about the Havok 4 upgrade, just for the purpose of allowing scripters using physics to be able to work in conjunction with LL on the process. I am surprised by the number of creations that failed upon implementation of H4 on the main grid and the creators that were seemingly surprised about the event. I have seen quotes by Sidewinder Linden that he was equally surprised by issues that came up only after grid wide implementation and not during the testing process. The Linden's really did try to work with those issues that were made known to them, and are still trying to work with them as they come up.

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Very strange.

I tested my Swimmer and it works fine.

Seems to be 50/50 thing.

In all, its just a matter of waiting. Either LL will figure it out (eventually) or the creators will find a way.

As SL is considered "beta" still, I've learned the best thing is to just wait things out. Your best consolation is knowing that it's a grid wide problem and odds are its being worked on.

Yep! Totally agreeing with you there. The script issues seem to be stemming from people expecting old Havok 1 hacks to work or from scripters not bothering to update.

I'm no scripter by any means, but even *I* went on the H4 beta to try things out.

your swim balls work fine for me still (at least i bought them right next to your store so i assume they are yours lol)

The fact that Siggy's products were trashed by Havok 4 was reported in Beta, and the Lindens did nothing about it. They acknowledged that his products failed, but offered no work-around.

Does anyone know if Siggy is even in-world any more? I know he has a full-sim store that is still selling these products. But he isn't responding to IM's or to notecard requests, and there is no indication at his store that he is even aware that the release of Havok 4 broke his stuff.

The best that Swimmer 1.1 will do for me now is I can sometimes swim for about 4 strokes before I start drowning... Often I can't even get the animations to start.

My partner and I have the identical issue with the hugger. And we have tried a variety of other freebies kindly sent to us by forum members...as well as a newly purchased one. Our height difference isn't significantly substantial...and all worked GREAT prior to Havoc 4.

Another issue - the VKC dogs have been affected by this wonderful new engine. (What exactly *does* it do better than what we had before?) The VKC designer has put out several upgrades and patches over the last several weeks for which I commend him. But some of the dogs' movements are still not right.

I'm wondering that as well since I'm still hanging onto my non-Windlight viewer with Nicholaz overlay as long as possible and my partner uses Windlight - and he's the one who does the "bunny hop" in our hug.

I've wondered about this too. Maybe he was simply too frustrated by the issues? Then again, why keep selling what are borked items?

I know when I first got my Swimmer HUD, I had some problems with it. My av is fairly small by SL standards, and it turned out that a smaller avatar would have issues using the Swimmer 1.0 if the terrain bottom was not flat and was to close to the surface. I could swim fine in a pool or in deep water, but in some Linden rivers and water channels I'd constantly sink, just like in the current failure. He rapidly created a prototype version 1.2 Swimmer HUD for me, for free, specificly to work better with a smaller height avatar in such situations. He also was kind enough to make customized versions of two of his water slides for one build that I created. So if he was that responsive just for a normal customer complaint that only affected a small part of his user base, I can't see how he could ignore something that breaks ALL of his Swimmer and Swim-Prim stuff.

I can only assume that he is not in SL right now, for whatever reason. After all, scripted vendors will keep working even if the owner is perma-banned. They still deliver product, but the proceeds go into the bit bucket of the owner is never to be allowed to return. (Or go to their L%$ ballance if they are only suspended.) So if he has his sim set up to charge automatically to one of his credit cards, and he allows that recurring charge to keep being made and pays his credit card bill, he could take off for months, and his sim would still be there. And presumably when he returned, he's have a fat stack of L$ waiting to be cashed out. Unfortunately, he'll also have a lot of uhappy customers waiting for his return, hoping he can fix what LL broke.

SO *dat's* what was happening? I was wondering.

There was a water problem in Grignano a while back, but I don't think it involved Havok. At least not directly. But physics were definitely involved...

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This thread makes me wonder if there's any swimmers dat is workin' on H4. My Swimmer 1.1 is makign it very easy for me to walk on the bottom of bodies of water -- when I'm not falling across them -- and the freebie swim ball, while working, is a little slow and stuff. Does SLwim still work, or are there other options?

Summer is coming (in my hemisphere) an I wanna be ready!

Only affecting swiming for me, not walking or anything (off peak of course.) I haven't used it again since so I'm not sure if anything was fixed or not.

Incidentally, I just tested my Swimmer 1.2 HUD that Siggy custom made for me a year or so back, and it's just as badly screwed up by Havok 4 as the 1.1 version is.

I've had the same problem with mine. At first it gave me a hard time just trying to wear it, and then actually it started working while I tried to take it off. Then when I am in the water, I am the slowest swimmer on the face of the Earth.

Of course I made this discovery the morning AFTER I put in a brand new pool with a deck and surroundings I had worked all night to finish.

I get a warm feeling just thinking about this!

I contacted the SLwin creator and asked them about an upgrade. The notecard included with SLwim gave hints that if upgrades were available then they could be had (not specifically for havok4) by dropping your SLwin HUD at the place the vendor is at - however the land is no build.rez there. So I asked her about how to get the upgrade to v2.6 (which they said in the havok4 blog entry was available). A little while later I got an upgrade to SLwin v2.6. Many thanks to the creator.

I realised after I posted about Slwim working fine that the swimming was very slow - though not all the time for me and so I had attributed it to lag at first as there was generally a huge amount of lag after the upgrades to havok4.

I suggest anyone having these problems contact the SLwin creator directly and ask for an upgrade.

Thanks so much for that! It's gonna be so exciting again once I can actually swim across the pool faster than I can walk on the bottom underwater, LOL

You are very welcome

Well as I said, my swim HUD does have a bug in H4 but it's easy to work around if you know about it; I explain this at the vendor in my store. Faithless indicated that the swimballs my friend Gypsy Paz sells work great; note that those are mostly for land that you own, completely different from a swim HUD.

Mari, I am pretty sure that if you buy the SLwim now it will be the updated version - if not then you can always get the upgrade after like me. In my opinion the SLwim is the best product out there for swimming and I do swim a lot

Bought a brand new SLwim HUD and their floatie, and they do work...

I noticed that the swimming speed with the hud was often rather fast, and sometimes extremelt slow, as if I was running into something. No apparent reasons... Also, the default float depth in Linden water was a tad low. My mouth was still under water when treading water.

The floaite worked great when sunbathing, but sinks in "vehicle" mode...

I tried their multi-swimmer "hub" at a store display, and it seemed really slow. Might not have been the latest update version though.

Still, at least I can swim again! YAY!

Very cool, Ceera an Gabriele!

Where's a good spot to buy it? Either of ya able t' drop a LM on me or someting?

Mari

Just type "SLwim" into the new search, and the first result is their main store, apparently. the vendors are on the second wall away from where that LM lands you. Just on the other side of a low wall with some clothing vendors. They also have a demo pool and slide outside the store.

I've also sent him numerous IM's and notecards detailing the problem and I get no response. I have bought over 50 of these devices and given them to friends, so its a little irritating.

Looks like I am going to give up on The Swimmer and go look at SLwim as soon as I get online. Thanks for those that suggested it.