Lindens Take My Sploder From My Cold Dead Hands

I have no idea where that personal attack came from or why, but never mind ... I am not "all knowing" but I do know how to read the policy and I do know how Linden Lab typically enforces things.

I do not believe the OP got targeted because somebody at LL wants to harass her (the part of my post where you said I lost you). She was in violation of the rules, someone probably reported her, and the company took action to enforce their policy. If you get reported and the report turns out to be true, they will enforce the policy .. do you seriously believe they're supposed to say "Well this is against the new rule, but we haven't taken out every sploder on the grid, so carry on?"

They are not going to find every violator, or remove them all at the same time, that's beyond their technological abilities -- just as the cops are not going to pull over every speeder.

You and she keep talking as if the Lindens came to her club specifically to take away her sploder, just because. It just doesn't work that way. They investigate abuse reports,and it doesn't have to be on the list of popular places for them to enforce the rule.

Yes it is true that sploders were not named in the official information, but the definition of games that are no longer allowed was clear, and sploders fit; and on the list of games that were named, LL stated clearly that the policy was not limited to those specific games, they were just examples.

For the record, I will miss sploders. I never played casino games after my first month in SL -- too much else to do that is far more interesting -- but I did play sploders when at clubs that featured them, and usually came out a few dollars ahead. I have nothing against sploders ... but I expect LL to enforce its policy, so I have to say goodbye to them.

Don't do that, it will just clog up the AR system, just let the Lindens do it when they get around to it.

I say let the Splooders last as long as we can, its just a bit of fun after all.

Its bad enough the AR system is over taxed as they say.

Let's all speed and run red lights, too. The cops can't catch all of us. It's just a bit of fun, after all.

Happens everyday and speed cameras are the main source of income for the police force in my country.
You don't go to jail for speeding, unless you kill someone.
Yes, it doesn't make it right but you'll never hear the police complaining about all the revenue they receive from speeding tickets.

You're insistance that they have to mention the word 'sploder' is neither fair nor reasonable. It's not fair, because what you're saying is they have to list every conceivable device, and any device not on the list is open to question. All someone has to do is to rename it, and say it's not a 'sploder', it's a 'money sphere', and they have to go to the trouble of figuring out what that means. You're asking them to do a never ending amount of work, while trying to create a loophole based on the name of things.

It's also unreasonable, because 'sploder' isn't at all a well-defined term. It's perfectly possible to rig a sploder device so that it doesn't take money from patrons, or contributing money has no relationship to whether or not someone wins. One person's 'sploder' isn't the same as the next.

They've given a reasonable set of criteria. While there are some good open questions concerning games that mix both skill and chance, no one has ever suggested there's any skill involved in a 'sploder'. In the particular case of sploders, the answer based on their criteria is so clear, that it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse.

My exact quote Covering this question, and Drawn from the LL Community Standars was this:
There is NO Need to specificly name ANY game INCLUDING Sploders as long as their Function falls Under Sections 1, and 2(a) of the Community Standard on Gambling machines. You can keep asking if you Like, But the answer has already been given. The arguement that Sploders were not Specificly named simply doesn't hold water.
~A number of Players Put money into a sploder
~It selects a small portion of the Players at random (Violation of section 1)
~It pays out to those randomly selected people a Cash amount in Lindens (Violation of section 2(a)
ANY game that Violates those Conditions Is Banned. it really doesn't get any Clearer than that.



Thank you Kidd, i WAS going to use your EXACT words, "it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse." But i chose to Edit them. I'm Glad somebody said it though.

Angel.

Actually it's not just a bit of fun if it results in financial problems for Linden Lab by making it a target for banks and other financial institutions under the UIGEA and consequently problems for all of us. There are still loads of Zyngo and Sploder balls all over Second Life and if you really share any serious concern of the aforementioned possibility you should AR them when you see them and help keep Second Life gambling free. I still haven't seen the UIGEA regulations which were supposed to be published last month. If anyone knows where I can find them please let me know but I suspect that they still have not been issued yet. Depending on how draconian those regulations are for the banks, Linden Lab might be in trouble regardless of what it does because the ability of players to create content and engage in unregulated commerce makes it a practical impossibility for Linden Lab to competely eliminate the possibility of gambling within the game.

I don't think it's possible to make one that complies.

If it's the one where people vote to see who wins the money - the "FAQ" blog post does explicitly say that wagering on an election is banned.

Of course it's possible, All you need to do is create one that hands out money Without the players putting anything in.
Of course you will go broke.
You can also have the Contests based upon asking, and answering trivial or general knowledge questions. it now becomes a Game of Skill, But again, the Players should not wager their own money, Unless they are paying an entry fee for Playing.

Angel.

Yes that is true, but there is still no need to clog up the AR system with reports about splooders etc, especially when they can be designed to fit within the rules.

I say leave it to the lindens and they will get rid of all gambling devices eventually.

Its there problem and by filing AR reports you are just making their problem harder to deal with, ultimately if they really wanted couldnt they just purge anything named zyngo or splooder.

So if it was a choice between the end of secondlife and the end of zyngo they could make that decision for us, but obviouly it isnt or they would have done it already.

Dont be to worried about the FBI, their not coming in to takeover just yet.

The portion that I highlighted in that quote from the FAQ does indictate that sploders that rely on voting are also covered because there is money payed in and there is a payout which are 2 of the three criteria. The random generator is replaced by the chance that you'll be the winner of the vote.

Simply put, you can't complain on the forums about disciplinary action taken against you.

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