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Usagi Musashi
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08-11-2007 21:29
I dont know about you. But there are still many Sploder around. She should be upset because they are not appling the rules to everyone.
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Usagi Musashi
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08-11-2007 21:44
They are banning them when someone reports them. Please read the blog. ![]() Well sweetie i don`t know how much you get around sl. But its not that much. Sploders are still around and running. Gambling is banned its a history. BUT appling the rules to everyone and not just a few club owners is the issue now about sloders not being returned to all those owners that are using them . bladyblue if i were her I would be upset. Rules are only as good as to how one applied. In this case bladyblue is being target out. |
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Mickey James
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08-11-2007 21:45
I dont know about you. But there are still many Sploder around. She should be upset because they are not appling the rules to everyone. And how do you figure they're not? She got reported and they took action. If someone else doesn't get reported, LL doesn't know to come take action. When that someone else does get reported, they will. In other words ... the Lindens did not wake up in the morning and think, "How can we screw with bladyblue Bommerang today?" She got reported, they enforced their policy. And they did it in about the most benign way possible, returning the item and not doing anything else. Unless you really do want to take the position that she should not have to abide by the policy that applies to everyone else, there's nothing wrong here. |
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Kenbro Utu
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08-11-2007 21:49
The term police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, especially by means of a secret police force which operates above the normal constraints found in a liberal democracy. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive. Sorry to burst your bubble, SL is not a state, it is someone's business. Go to your local Walmart or similar chain and do something against their store policy, and see how quickly you get shoved out the door. |
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Usagi Musashi
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08-11-2007 21:52
Nice constructive reply. lets hope nobody ask for your help during life and death situations
Of All simularities? Walmart? OMG how tackie and simple minded. |
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-11-2007 22:16
I'm still hung up on this rumor of a Linden Labs customer relations department, or at least a director of customer relations.
Given the lack of supporting evidence, I remain unconvinced, but I'm at least curious and wonder whether anyone else has reported sightings of alleged members of an LL customer relations department. _____________________
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Yiffy Yaffle
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08-11-2007 22:46
a sploder? cmon lindens... i also heard some guy and all his employees got banned just because he payed them all from a business deal. WTF is wrong with linden lab have they gone completely insane? I knew they were crazy but geesh...
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Brenda Archer
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08-11-2007 22:48
The term police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, especially by means of a secret police force which operates above the normal constraints found in a liberal democracy. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive. While that sounds reeeeelly familiar, I don't think SL has gotten that bad. _____________________
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Nika Talaj
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08-11-2007 22:49
@ Alex: Well, lol, i would tell you the name of the customer relations Linden in question, but that would be naming names. And everyone knows that's a cyn!
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Colette Meiji
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08-11-2007 23:09
I'm still hung up on this rumor of a Linden Labs customer relations department, or at least a director of customer relations. Given the lack of supporting evidence, I remain unconvinced, but I'm at least curious and wonder whether anyone else has reported sightings of alleged members of an LL customer relations department. Im only aware of a grainy, short 8MM film loop from the 70's. But some people claim thats just a guy dressed in a Linden Suit, and not the real thing. |
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Usagi Musashi
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08-12-2007 00:24
@ Alex: Well, lol, i would tell you the name of the customer relations Linden in question, but that would be naming names. And everyone knows that's a cyn! Does Cyn even work as much as she use to? It does not appear so. So to asnwer your questen....yes I do but she doesnt handle teh issue herself anymore as she use too. |
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Angelique LaFollette
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08-12-2007 00:30
Please do show us all where Linden Lab answered anyone's questions regarding sploders - perhaps we all missed it in the blog. In answer to your Question: July 25th 2007: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#more-1106 And Clarified Information On August 9th 2007: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/09/anti-gambling-policy-update-faq/#more-1137 Policy It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life (R) environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games: (1) (a) rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner, OR (b) rely on the outcome of real-life organized sporting events, AND (2) provide a payout in (a) Linden Dollars, OR (b) any real-world currency or thing of value. This includes (but is not limited to), for example, Casino Games such as: o Baccarat o Blackjack o Craps o Faro o Keno o Pachinko o Pai Gow o Poker o Roulette o Sic Bo o Slot machines It also includes Sports Books or Sports Betting, including the placing of bets on actual sporting events against a book-maker or through a betting exchange. Linden Lab will actively enforce this policy. If we discover gambling activities that violate the policy, we will remove all related objects from the inworld environment, may suspend or terminate the accounts of residents involved without refund or payment, and may report any relevant details, including user information, to authorities and financial institutions. This includes (but is not limited to), for example, Casino Games such as: As for Policing, since LL is Not in Possession of a Magic switch that Can target every conceivable Scripting permutation Involved in Gambling machines and wipe them Out, the Only two methods of Removal left to them are A: Wait for an AR from a Citizen or B: Random spot checks on various Locations with Low level responses to Violations (Returning the Machines to the owners Inventory). remember it IS within a Lindens ability to delete anything from the game without Notice, or Compensation, so returns are pretty Lenient. Word Will spread pretty quickly that these checks are being done, and the SMART Owners will remove the Machines before LL begins ramping up the penalties. I don't See How you Missed this in the Blog as it is CENTRAL to the New Policy Unless of course you didn't actually Read the Policy. Angel. |
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Usagi Musashi
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08-12-2007 00:36
And how do you figure they're not? How do I figure that? Because there are sploders still in clubs why have not they not taken them out? because the randomly look at locations? Well if that was the case then Babyblues place does not fall under the more popular location. Why hers? In other words ... the Lindens did not wake up in the morning and think,. This part makes no sence at all..... Unless you really do want to take the position that she should not have to abide by the policy that applies to everyone else, there's nothing wrong here. Lost me here........I thought stated my views. Well I did.......So your lost me on this remark. Was this really needed? So your all knowing and the rest is dont now shit? ok fine.......You know everything and can fight every possible point? So your the greatest is that what you want to hear? Shakeshead...........I stated my feeling if you can`t read it then well Usagi |
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bladyblue Bommerang
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08-12-2007 00:58
In answer to your Question: July 25th 2007: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/#more-1106 And Clarified Information On August 9th 2007: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/09/anti-gambling-policy-update-faq/#more-1137 Sploders are a CLEAR Violation of Both Sections 1, and 2(a). There is also the extremely Important Phrase stating Meaning, that the Games Listed are Only examples, and because a Game isn't specificly named in the Policy, dosn't mean the game is OK. THERE is Linden Lab's Answer to Sploders. As for Policing, since LL is Not in Possession of a Magic switch that Can target every conceivable Scripting permutation Involved in Gambling machines and wipe them Out, the Only two methods of Removal left to them are A: Wait for an AR from a Citizen or B: Random spot checks on various Locations with Low level responses to Violations (Returning the Machines to the owners Inventory). remember it IS within a Lindens ability to delete anything from the game without Notice, or Compensation, so returns are pretty Lenient. Word Will spread pretty quickly that these checks are being done, and the SMART Owners will remove the Machines before LL begins ramping up the penalties. I don't See How you Missed this in the Blog as it is CENTRAL to the New Policy Unless of course you didn't actually Read the Policy. Angel. This is clear to you? the word SPLODER is never mentioned. We asked several times specifically about the sploders. Linden Lab refused to reply. Instead they begin this witch hunt campaign against select individuals that we all assume were abuse reported by some bizarre resident. Nice way to keep the drama down. _____________________
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Sae Luan
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08-12-2007 01:18
Misery loves company. But I am not going to go runing around the grid reporting on others just to make myself feel better. And Linden Lab employees should not be running around on their day off randomly returning sploders when their time could be better soent helping the working casinos close their doors. I do agree, but LL has most of their priorities messy. _____________________
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Tegg Bode
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08-12-2007 02:10
A new low. To have the community decide which people have to comply with a grid wide policy that applies to everyone is WRONG. To ignore several fullislands of casino equipment and instead work overtime on a Saturday to return one sploder without talking to the resident is outrageous. More likelygambling places are turning on each other to reduce the competition, and make as many final bucks as they can................... _____________________
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Tegg Bode
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08-12-2007 02:25
How do I figure that? Because there are sploders still in clubs why have not they not taken them out? because the randomly look at locations? Well if that was the case then Babyblues place does not fall under the more popular location. Why hers? Usagi Because she had one, and who says she's the first, maybe this is just the first rounds to say to you nicely that they aren't allowed and they will take action. How about the next 10 clubs or the 10 before that, of course they don't count because they are just the competition......... I've notices sploders gone from 2 clubs I frequent and none present in some new clubs. I used them occassionally, but will get over it. There won't be any overdramatised "cold dead hands" you just won't be able to login one day and residents lives will go on.............. _____________________
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Tegg Bode
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08-12-2007 02:27
This is clear to you? the word SPLODER is never mentioned. We asked several times specifically about the sploders. Linden Lab refused to reply. Instead they begin this witch hunt campaign against select individuals that we all assume were abuse reported by some bizarre resident. Nice way to keep the drama down. They never mentioned the words 2-Up, Scrabble, Gunfighting, Streetracing, Monopoly or Fish either so is it ok to bet money on them too? _____________________
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Ava Glasgow
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08-12-2007 02:27
This is clear to you? It was perfectly clear to me. Sploders meet the criteria specified, so they are against the rules. And I'm guessing it was totally clear to you too. You're angry because you got caught. Maybe you could stop acting like a spoiled two-year-old now? |
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Usagi Musashi
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08-12-2007 02:48
Because she had one, and who says she's the first, maybe this is just the first rounds to say to you nicely that they aren't allowed and they will take action. How about the next 10 clubs or the 10 before that, of course they don't count because they are just the competition......... I've notices sploders gone from 2 clubs I frequent and none present in some new clubs. I used them occassionally, but will get over it. There won't be any overdramatised "cold dead hands" you just won't be able to login one day and residents lives will go on.............. Well i doubt this. As i said before. Her location is not popular. So why hit on her first. Where larger more known clubs are still running their devices. This is what doesnt make sence. The devices in questen are the same. They take money and the return does not equal that the amount taken. No matter what the name of the device if the X amount is not returned to you ( pay out is less ) then what yu put in its fall under the rules of gambling. |
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Sophia Debevec
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08-12-2007 03:08
So you were only going 5 miles an hour above the speed limit and got caught.
.......ok yes it's annoying but you were still in the wrong. Damnit, quit whining and use your brain for once! There are plenty of ways to make a sploder that curcumvents the description of a gambling device .... contact your local friendly scripter! |
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Yiffy Yaffle
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08-12-2007 05:29
I can just imagine they will take away prize chairs and prize sploders too because they pay out in OBJECTS! I guess objects may become currency soon.
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Rocketman Raymaker
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08-12-2007 06:16
Unbelievable. This guy comes by and returns one of my sploders to my inventory. Just the main one - not any of the ones on the beach or in the pub below the island. So I guess they are wandering around the grid harassing paying customers. First time a Linden works on a weekend and its to police the grid. Wonderful. Can't do much about the law, unless you've got the capital to help Linden Labs move everything to a place where regulation exists, i'm sure they would appreciate another investor with deep pockets. How about an IPO on a real life stock exchange, i guess it would have to be in London not New York if we want regulated gambling. If they ever list their company, I'll definitely invest a few $$. I love this game!!!! _____________________
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Tegg Bode
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08-12-2007 06:28
Well i doubt this. As i said before. Her location is not popular. So why hit on her first. Where larger more known clubs are still running their devices. This is what doesnt make sence. The devices in questen are the same. They take money and the return does not equal that the amount taken. No matter what the name of the device if the X amount is not returned to you ( pay out is less ) then what yu put in its fall under the rules of gambling. I just told you some of the larger clubs, at least 4 have removed sploders.......... It' doesn't mateer if she has a traffic of 0 sploders are still illegal _____________________
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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08-12-2007 06:46
It's hard to believe that people think "but so and so was doing it too" should relieve them from following the rules. It won't get you out of a speeding ticket on the highway, and it doesn't work here, either. If you don't like the fact that your sploder was removed while someone else's was not, your solution to level the playing field is to report the ones that haven't yet hit the Linden radar.
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