For Gamblers Only

Are you saying that it is sensible for LL to allow Zyngo games even though they clearly violate the wagering policy that it claims to have adopted?

Absolutely!!!!

If LL wanted Zyngo gone they could simply purge all objects with the word Zyngo it the name.

That would eliminate freeplay games, random money givers and lucky chairs too. The more they go on, the more they confuse the issue.

It's not gambling if there is no wager. People play games of chance all the time; it becomes gambling when you pay money in to get money out.

the Lindens might have just got tired of playing games with the Internet lawyers out there.

Agreed, I was just reading the newsletter during yesterday's downtime and the way it's worded, the OP's suggestion would now be banned. Maybe they just didn't have space in the newsletter or maybe they're giving themselves wiggle room to stop ventures like the OP has suggested.

I'd say it is more of an oversight, since it assumes a wager. Most efforts to legalize activities focus on the chance/random number generation, or changing the payout to something "worthless."

"element of luck" you mean chance, or randomness, that makes it against the ban. I will agree that there are many games the require a great deal of skill on the part of the player, but if what they are giving is decided randomly by chance, it is against the ban; if you are wagering on it. Yes that includes poker and mahjong. Why yes, that covers zyngo too, since the numbers you are given to use are decided randomly.

"aren't horse racing and bingo exempt from this law?" I don't believe bingo is.

If I tell you what is exempt will you all promise to go work on that and leave deciphering of the gambling ban to those that make the decisions in SL?
Which isn't us, so how we decipher it makes no difference.

How long do you expect these free places to last? If they are dependent on donations, they will spend far more than they take in and only the most magnanimous of people will keep that up. As for what LL returns... I think it depends on the Linden that investigates the AR.

*Looks at the funny gambly people desperately and obsessively scrabbling for straws to clutch at.*

*Wanders off*

Then they would just rename it Zongo or Rocketmango!

Anyway, based on a recent event I am fairly confident that LL does not allow zyngo. It just takes them time getting around to removing the machines.

If LL is anti-Zyngo, why is it that I am hanging out (as I type this) on a whole Island dedicated to the game?

Plenty of people playing for free and plenty of people paying to play (to win bigger pots).

LL must know of this place because it is the biggest Zyngo place in SL, if they don't then they must be very ignorant and I truly don't believe they are.

In China Mahjong is considered a strategic game and if you study Zyngo (the WILD version not the original which I agree is definitely against the rules) long enough you will discover that it is just a variation of Mahjong.

Basically LL has to keep Zyngo unless they want to lose a whole lot of customers because as soon as HIPIHI is developed enough for English language users to use they can all play that instead.

Chinese people love Mahjong and I would say they would enjoy playing Zyngo just as much.

I like that name a lot (Rocketmango), I am working on a few games at the moment but none that suit that name but it could be good for a game in the future.

Can I use that name one day please?

If it gets used I will make some sort of arrangement with you to compensate you for your brilliant Idea.

Thats the most frustrating part, iknow of ppl personaly that got suspended for running small zyngo places, so the ban some ppl but let the realy big ones stay, it's just unfair... as for HIPIHI, they may become competition to some parts of sl but not all HIPIHI forbids: any use of violence, any use of HIPIHI for political opinions, any sexual activity, any form of gambling... it does remove alot of both financial and sociological activity we see in sl everyday, even sl without gambling is still alot more than HIPIHI with all the restrictions.

/me posts on an epic thread. Had to be done.

This is still gambling and you won't get away with it.

This thread is not about going around laws it's an attemt to work with them, to recreate the economical business cycle that used to exist, but now both landbarons and other business sectors are suffering from, but that ofcourse doesn't fit into your head, does it ?

Yes - WELL.

There is NO PURCHASE NECESSARY on voluntary pot-based games like Bingo, either.

And though that is a very good argument for not banning them, seems to me they are banned, but heck if I can figure it out, because the Lindens are all scattershot in their decisions, in addition to very coy about them.

coco

It seems this is realy getting offtopic here, the question is:

Do you think a such service would be popular ?

If not, what could make it popular ?

I think what the other people said - charging to get into the PLACE, to then gamble, really wouldn't fly.

coco

It has been my experience with SL that cover charges are not popular. The fastest way to empty a night club in SL is to implement a cover charge.

"HIPIHI is developed enough for English language users to use they can all play that instead." Any one that thinks they are going to go to this; or threaten to, knows nothing of how the Chinese government runs things. Remember for Google to get in to China they had to agree to very extensive censorship. If they go to hipihi they can kiss 3/4's of their SL freedoms good by. But there wouldn't be any griefing, not with a cop on every corner. Of coarse the first time you dis the Chinese government; even in the monitored IM's, or they way they run hipihi you will be banned.

True, i believe Hipihi will become the chinese version of sl, it will for sure become a big hit in china, and realy the english translation is unnecesary untill the usgovt restricts it's citizens enough to consider china a free country, the usgovt is on a good way to become more restricted than USSR but atm still far from it, give it afew years and it'll change for the worse then Hipihi might become a hit in the west.

I agree with you that their government is difficult to deal with but no more difficult than the American government. My country has the best government in the world (well maybe not but close to it, I still got to pay tax dammit).

We were the first to let both indigenous people and women vote.

I guess America is about to get a bit of change from the typical white male president while China is still stuck with communism (sorry if I offend any fans of communism but I just don't understand it at all).

Oh i understand it, my parents come from a "post" communist country (poland), the purpose of communism is similar to the purpose of the "capitalism as we know it from us", it's all about totalitarian control of ppl and resources. The only difference is communism was more brutal in it's actions. Communists tortured ppl for disagreeing with their policy, (after the socalled war on terror) usa tortures anyone that disagrees with their policy. Commusists were monitoring phonecalls, cia has been monitoring phoncalls for past 40 years. Any superpower throughout history has become a totalitarian government, hope i'm not offending any fans of democrats or republicans, it's simply in the human nature.
As Plato once said "Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty. " We simply are too manipulative and are therefore fooled to chose the wrong ppl.

best government in the world?

You are a pie eater. For the particular question posed, your opinion does not matter. However, among the relevant population that has answered, it is a 2:1 YES. I imagine that the yes is qualified by, "so long as it's reasonable."