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Ian Nider

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05-13-2009 23:17

From: Rae2SL Blogger

Thanks to those who find the blog inntereting enough to look- great thanks to those who take a min to respond to the survey thingy. I am 10% there! Great thread responses - all good stuff to include in the Part 2 of the blog.

No worries.. I am so a lifer in SL. I have my own thougths and opinions on the subject here, facinated with your spin on it!

Thanks!

You sound like M Linden.

Clarissa Lowell

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05-14-2009 01:05

From: Ayesha Lytton

Why do SL forum users hate surveys so much? I've never seen this in other online communities and I don't get it.

Power imbalance.

Vague agenda.

Mysterious credentials.

Arrogance implied in assumption we're here to be their survey taking monkeydrones.

Mistrust.

Pie throwing opportunity.

Case in point:

From: Rae2SL Blogger

Besides - it just adds to the ideas for a new blog!

Cheers!

'Don't want to be pimped? Too late - you were!'

Ugh.

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Brenda Connolly

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05-14-2009 08:00

From: Ian Nider

You sound like M Linden.

Not enough doubletalk.

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Amaranthim Talon

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Join date: 14 Nov 2006

Posts: 12,032

05-14-2009 09:51

From: Rae2SL Blogger

<snip>
No worries.. I am so a lifer in SL. I have my own thougths and opinions on the subject here, facinated with your spin on it!

Thanks!

Ahh.. see we missed that about you seeing as how your join date is NOW.

So ok- you are then an alt of an established Resident - perhaps - oh my, gasp! an Ancient..... Do share then with us, the wisdom of your life in SL -

And -how has this influenced your own "Friend's List"?

From your survey:

"Second Life vs. Real Life Friends - A gender study
Answers marked with a * are required.
1. The Survey
This survey aims to collect, compare, and analyze the general observation that there is a stark difference between the gender of one’s friends in RL vs SL. It seems to this observer that in RL, the stereotype is for men to have mostly male friends and women to have mostly female friends — at least it seems that way. However, in SL it seems to be just the opposite. What is it about SL that leads to this reversal compared to RL? "

What conclusions do you draw from this observed effect? Stipulating that you are in fact correct, what is your estimation as to why such a disparity exists?

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Dana Hickman

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Join date: 10 Oct 2006

Posts: 1,515

05-14-2009 10:35

Interesting conclusion that wouldn't have been made if the OP were not already a resident and been inworld to see it.
I took the survey.

Kaimi Kyomoon

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Join date: 30 Nov 2006

Posts: 5,664

05-14-2009 10:50

From: Marianne McCann

"Similarly, some of the first educators and researchers in SL were a bit clumsy in their approach. There were early incidents in which Residents felt—rightly—that they were being spied upon or treated like guinea pigs rather than human beings. Imagine how you would feel if an entire class of students set up right next to your vacation hideaway, left trash lying around, logged your conversations, and posted them on the Internet with criticism and mean-spirited comments. This is exactly what happened to some early Residents. Things have improved greatly in the years since then, but sometimes SL Residents are still subject to that kind of inconsiderate behavior. For example, a constant stream of researchers (often students) posts on the Second Life official forums requesting that Residents please take their surveys. Most of these surveys include the same questions that have been asked over and over. Often they aren't spell-checked, or refer to SL as a game—a sure way to irritate a substantial number of Residents. Some Residents make a hobby of critiquing these surveys, pointing out how the questions and their wording make it clear that the researcher isn't familiar with Second Life. Some post outright that they are sick of badly planned surveys and suggest that the researchers log in and do their own research."

From The Second Life Grid: The Official Guide to Communication, Collaboration, and Community Engagement
by Kimberly Rufer-Bach
ISBN-13: 9780470412916

There it is.

I took the survey and nothing bad has happened to me yet as far as I know.
I didn't go in world to count my friends and their genders. But I think I made a fairly good guess. A lot of the people on my friends list are people I met once who offered me friendship. I would just feel too rude declining. More of them are male than female because I guess for a while there I was more attractive to men than women. Now when someone I don't know offers me friendship I just quit so I don't have to answer - it's only mildly inconvenient to come back somewhere else. I spend most of my in world time working alone.

My real friends, in SL, are mostly people I work with or know from the forums and I think they are about equally male and female. Some of the people I consider friends aren't on my friends list.

From: Zim Gunsberg

Pie, anyone?

Yes please!

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From: 3Ring Binder

i think people are afraid of me or something.

Ceka Cianci

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Join date: 31 Jul 2006

Posts: 4,489

05-14-2009 10:56

From: Rae2SL Blogger

It is free and completely anonymous! I thank you in advance for your consideration and participation!
Thanks - Rae

FREE!! did i hear FREE!!!

where?

someone told me nothing in life is free..just wait till i show them this!!

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05-14-2009 11:23

Ps I was bored and took your survey... I don't care about anonymity so you can find me by my comment about how your forgot to ask about my friends apparent vs applied gender/humanity/sexuality.

if that doesn't help then track:
absexual, anthrocurious, polyamorous, lesbian =)

(and yes I even answered seriously... I probably broke your assumption though. my RL friends pretty much match the ones in SL.... ODD.

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Second Life vs. Real Life Friends - A gender study
Ian Nider Seeds Join date: 20 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,011	05-13-2009 23:17 From: Rae2SL Blogger Thanks to those who find the blog inntereting enough to look- great thanks to those who take a min to respond to the survey thingy. I am 10% there! Great thread responses - all good stuff to include in the Part 2 of the blog. No worries.. I am so a lifer in SL. I have my own thougths and opinions on the subject here, facinated with your spin on it! Thanks! You sound like M Linden.
Clarissa Lowell Gone. G'bye. Join date: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,020	05-14-2009 01:05 From: Ayesha Lytton Why do SL forum users hate surveys so much? I've never seen this in other online communities and I don't get it. Power imbalance. Vague agenda. Mysterious credentials. Arrogance implied in assumption we're here to be their survey taking monkeydrones. Mistrust. Pie throwing opportunity. Case in point: From: Rae2SL Blogger Besides - it just adds to the ideas for a new blog! Cheers! 'Don't want to be pimped? Too late - you were!' Ugh. _____________________
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	05-14-2009 08:00 From: Ian Nider You sound like M Linden. Not enough doubletalk. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Amaranthim Talon Voyager, Seeker, Curious Join date: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 12,032	05-14-2009 09:51 From: Rae2SL Blogger <snip> No worries.. I am so a lifer in SL. I have my own thougths and opinions on the subject here, facinated with your spin on it! Thanks! Ahh.. see we missed that about you seeing as how your join date is NOW. So ok- you are then an alt of an established Resident - perhaps - oh my, gasp! an Ancient..... Do share then with us, the wisdom of your life in SL - And -how has this influenced your own "Friend's List"? From your survey: "Second Life vs. Real Life Friends - A gender study Answers marked with a * are required. 1. The Survey This survey aims to collect, compare, and analyze the general observation that there is a stark difference between the gender of one’s friends in RL vs SL. It seems to this observer that in RL, the stereotype is for men to have mostly male friends and women to have mostly female friends — at least it seems that way. However, in SL it seems to be just the opposite. What is it about SL that leads to this reversal compared to RL? " What conclusions do you draw from this observed effect? Stipulating that you are in fact correct, what is your estimation as to why such a disparity exists? _____________________ "Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again. " Robert A. Heinlein http://talonfaire.blogspot.com/ Visit Talon Faire Main: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Misto%20Presto/216/21/155- Main Store XStreets: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ayn
Dana Hickman Leather & Lace™ Join date: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,515	05-14-2009 10:35 Interesting conclusion that wouldn't have been made if the OP were not already a resident and been inworld to see it. I took the survey.
Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	05-14-2009 10:50 From: Marianne McCann "Similarly, some of the first educators and researchers in SL were a bit clumsy in their approach. There were early incidents in which Residents felt—rightly—that they were being spied upon or treated like guinea pigs rather than human beings. Imagine how you would feel if an entire class of students set up right next to your vacation hideaway, left trash lying around, logged your conversations, and posted them on the Internet with criticism and mean-spirited comments. This is exactly what happened to some early Residents. Things have improved greatly in the years since then, but sometimes SL Residents are still subject to that kind of inconsiderate behavior. For example, a constant stream of researchers (often students) posts on the Second Life official forums requesting that Residents please take their surveys. Most of these surveys include the same questions that have been asked over and over. Often they aren't spell-checked, or refer to SL as a game—a sure way to irritate a substantial number of Residents. Some Residents make a hobby of critiquing these surveys, pointing out how the questions and their wording make it clear that the researcher isn't familiar with Second Life. Some post outright that they are sick of badly planned surveys and suggest that the researchers log in and do their own research." From The Second Life Grid: The Official Guide to Communication, Collaboration, and Community Engagement by Kimberly Rufer-Bach ISBN-13: 9780470412916 There it is. I took the survey and nothing bad has happened to me yet as far as I know. I didn't go in world to count my friends and their genders. But I think I made a fairly good guess. A lot of the people on my friends list are people I met once who offered me friendship. I would just feel too rude declining. More of them are male than female because I guess for a while there I was more attractive to men than women. Now when someone I don't know offers me friendship I just quit so I don't have to answer - it's only mildly inconvenient to come back somewhere else. I spend most of my in world time working alone. My real friends, in SL, are mostly people I work with or know from the forums and I think they are about equally male and female. Some of the people I consider friends aren't on my friends list. From: Zim Gunsberg Pie, anyone? Yes please! _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
Ceka Cianci SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc# Join date: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,489	05-14-2009 10:56 From: Rae2SL Blogger It is free and completely anonymous! I thank you in advance for your consideration and participation! Thanks - Rae FREE!! did i hear FREE!!! where? someone told me nothing in life is free..just wait till i show them this!! _____________________ Free Your Mind http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceka_cianci/
Void Singer Int vSelf = Sing(void); Join date: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 6,973	05-14-2009 11:23 Ps I was bored and took your survey... I don't care about anonymity so you can find me by my comment about how your forgot to ask about my friends apparent vs applied gender/humanity/sexuality. if that doesn't help then track: absexual, anthrocurious, polyamorous, lesbian =) (and yes I even answered seriously... I probably broke your assumption though. my RL friends pretty much match the ones in SL.... ODD. _____________________ \| \| . "Cat-Like Typing Detected" \| . This post may contain errors in logic, spelling, and \| . grammar known to the SL populace to cause confusion \| \| - Please Use PHP tags when posting scripts/code, Thanks. \| - Can't See PHP or URL Tags Correctly? Check Out This Link... \| -

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