Blue Mars beta

Well, discussing it from a negative standpoint, like this:

"If there are "standards" in Blue Mars, and there is a level of professionalism there that plasticizes, perfects, and sucks the soul out of it, then something vital is lost in it."

I certainly understand this though:

"For me, the important thing is the creation and experience of the 3d world. I am not making stuff to leave it behind as some kind of legacy. My sims are a creative growing thing, always changing and evolving. They are really a 3d expression of my creative energies."

I guess for me the limitations of SL have just gotten too restrictive, but I once felt as you do. The promise of better avatars and working with CryEngine and meshes are too appealing to pass up. I have never been intimidated by new software and I'm not worried about spreading my energies over two worlds.

Better avatars than these?

Well someone needs to offset the blue-skying of some of the early Blue Mars fanbois just to achieve some kind of balance here. I am doing that too, and trying to contribute constructively.

Honestly, at the moment, I see the CryEngine has nice graphics, and the Blue Mars is a very small startup company that has decided to try to use it to create an SL-type world. Maybe it will take off, maybe it won't. It has a LOOOONG way to go, and LOTS of assets need to be created to compete with the sheer size of SL. Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.

Maybe another company will get a CryEngine license and offer a competing product too.

Those are simple facts.

well, people will be less likely to leave sl for blue mars if they cannot retain some element of their sl avatar, such as its name. the only name i will be interested in using on blue mars is 'nina stepford'. if blue mars were to allow my name to be nicked by an imposter wanting to grief, or allowed it to be registered, reserved, and held for randsom, these types of things... i reckon i wouldnt be very interested in going there.
i think its a consideration for blue mars to take seriously.

Many older SL residents do not understand this. Really starting with Generation 2007 - building has stopped, consumerism has taken over - rampantly. I know people born in 2005 who were never builders and pure consumers. You can find posts from in 2003 on these forums saying how i cannot build and that I am here purely for consumer purposes (things do change ). Now more than ever the average resident joining SL only cares about a social experience: getting a residence, rezzing items, dressing up, hanging out. These residents make no correlation between a 1 prim picture frame the purchased to display a picture on and a the fact that they could rez a single cube flatten it and place a picture on it themselves.

Blue Mars is striking out into the virtual world realm at the perfect time - the time of the consumer.

What you detractors are not realizing is that BM will be just like SL in 95% of all experiences. ALL the things an average resident can do in SL right now, will be what they can do in a Blue Mars city/region (I prefer the term region Rock! ), meaning they will be able to own/rent land, rez a home on that land, rez items to decorate their home, rez a car to drive in, rez items to have a party, rez items to have a wedding, rez whacky items, etc. The biggest difference is going to be that general population won't be able to randomly build - just like average newer residents since 2007 do not randomly build in SL anymore.

Also...becoming a 'developer' will not be so difficult at all. And right now it is sort of being used as a straw man argument in this thread. I'd say more, but there is that issue of the NDA and all.

just making sure argent sees this
aha! see, you finally admit i am right people will take sl terms over there and use them, no matter what the bm manual calls it. kind of like saying 'no, its not "rezzing". it's...' then spending five minutes describing a process that is exactly like 'rezzing'.

sure i did but i was commenting to her post and what i liked most about it..i wasn't chiming in with both yours and hers hehehe

It doesn't come across that way. It comes across as overly sarcastic and threatened.

Why do you feel the need to be sarcastic and insulting to people who want to share enthusiasm about this, and that think that others might like to know what they are discovering? Is that really what you think balance is?


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I agree, it is absolutely something they should consider. Of course, that's a general problem already, and there's nothing stopping me from taking your name on Metaplace or third-party forums, etc.

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Perhaps it comes across that way to you because you disagree with what I am saying and don't like to hear it.

It's a bit disingenuous to come to these forums to share enthusiasm over a competing product, and then act surprised when you get an argument.

I say for the umpeenth time: time will tell, and I hope that if Blues Mars takes off, it doesn't lack the richness we have found here.

Balance is having boths sides represented. If mine is skewed, that just shows how skewed the uncritical blueskying has been here.

theres a huge difference between taking someones name on a forum and taking their name on blue mars!

Me too, and BM themselves have used it once or twice, despite saying that 'city' is the correct term.

It does seem a bit nonsensical to use the term 'city' if the 'city' is a jungle, or an alien landscape.

Perhaps we should raise this in the 'Suggestions'?

Rock

No doubt there were people in 2003 like that. I know there were people like that in 2005, I had a friend who was always buying stuff like that as gifts and being completely baffled when people weren't impressed by his "finds".

And contrariwise, there's people asking how to build right now.

There's no "time of the builder", and "time of the consumer".

i didn't know anything about building my first two years..the editor for me was to unpack my things for my house and adjust hair and prim clothes..things like that..

i wasn't interested in building at all..just shopping and having fun and exploring a huge world..

i don't think people come right out of the shoot ready to roll most times..
i think they want to look around and explore and learn a bit..

i know in blue mars i would want to take my time and get to know the world in a vacation type of way before i got down to really getting into making things..

i found that the less i know the more fun things are..the more i know the more reality comes into play and takes the illusion away ..

WoW was fantasy until raid guilds ..sl was fantasy until i learned too much and UT was fantasy until i was in a clan learning the nicks and knacks..

there is no start gate or window of opportunity that anyone here is gonna miss when Blue mars opens up.. people are going to do what they want to do in their own pace and if it's going to be this huge huge place there is gonna be lots of opertunity for everyone..

i'm gonna try to stay as newbish as i can to make it last as long as i can if i end up going over there..

Agreed, but there is a percentile of consumer vs builder and I'd say it's never been higher on the consumer side than it is right now. I don't think this is a bad thing or a sign of anything. I just think that there are people coming to virtual worlds for different reasons and now we are getting a lot more of experience seekers and they are not interested in building. But they are our customers, clients and tennants. They are who we are building for.

Competition is good, part of LL's problem is they don't have any. I'm not interested in Blues Mars, but it would be a good thing if they did start to take some people away from SL, enough to get LL to notice and to make SL more attractive. That's how free markets work, let the best product win. I don't think SL will ever want for new customers. It is still a good entry level place for people making their first step in virtual worlds. Barring serious mismanagement, I don't see SL going away anytime soon.

The more competition the better. There is never anything wrong with more choices.

ya very true..it would probably be a lot less of the feeling they are shooting from the hip to see what happens and more of i wonder what our users want..

lets look in the forums for great ideas hahahahaha

Never been lower, either. There's ALWAYS been a lot of people who don't want to learn, but even they have always benefitted from their friends who are casual builders. No stores, no "developer status", they just know a little building. Those kinds of people are a gateway drug to building, and they won't exist in Blue Mars.

No, it comes across that way because you use terms like fanboi and heavy sarcasm and misrepresentation of other people's opinions

I'm absolutely not surprised that not everyone is completely in love with Blue Mars. Hell, I'm not even completely sold on it myself, though I really do love the Crysis graphics. Whether that translates into a workable and compelling virtual world is not something I'm convinced of yet. I do think that it's good to share information about that as I discover it, but you are doing a great job of convincing me it's not worth my time.

I guess if you feel the exaggeration and sarcasm are balance, well, have fun with that

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Does anyone Know when Blue Mars invites will be sent , I have sighned up for an invite.
I am so looking forward to seeing what Blue Mars Has to offer a non builder.

Thank you.

Some of the loudest critics of BM at this time, know absolutely nothing about it. They seem to be quick to say what is wrong with BM, while systematically overlooking the hundreds (even thousands) of things which are SERIOUSLY wrong with SL.

that's gonna happen with anything..i hope blue mars does well..i'll use both

looks like they have caught up on the backlog of applications (mine came today) and have reopened creator apps to the public.
anyone wishing they had registered now have another chance.

Looking forward to seeing you around Nina. As well as the official BM forum there is an unofficial forum at http://life-on-mars.proboards.com/ that you might want to join too, and we are also on irc if you want to chat in real time with other developers (if you are interested I can send you details).

Rock