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Elora Lunasea
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12-09-2008 08:10
From: LittleMe Jewell
Not true - you just don't want to have anything to do with the generic freebies. Ask anyone that knows me inworld - I'm constantly complimented on the dresses I wear and the vast majority of my wardrobe is free. You have to know *where* to get your freebies though.


Ditto on this. I've run into Lil more time than anyone else while shopping so that says something. I always have people mentioning that they like the look I've put together and asking where I got specific items.

I used to spend a fortune on clothing when I first arrived here until I found all the fashion blogs and got the hints on where the good designers were giving away their freebies via sales, lucky chairs or group notices. Now, this is my first resource, however, I do still purchase clothing as I'm a sucker for spur of the moment purchases, most particularly when just bouncing around the grid and finding odd little stores along the way. Some of my favorite things have come from those kind of shopping trips and a lot of them have not been over priced and are very well made.

If you know where to go, you'll be able to put together a fantastic look from clothing, to skin to hair with all the other little accessories your heart desires with barely spending more than a few Lindens. And if you do spend a few and don't like what you got? Just toss them in the trash :p At least you won't have too many guilt pangs over that.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-09-2008 08:27
When I release new clothing at the store, I will put out a sample of the new stuff as a freebie, yes it will have less permissions on it, well... it is free, can't have it all hehe

The sample is a piece of the set being put out or a color that is not being sold.
I like doing it this way so folks can actually see what is for sale, without it being a demo, they can actually use it

The sample is available for a limited time, so folks have to pop in and get it when I first put it out (usually a week or so, then I take it down)

This is for clothes only though, hair, shoes, skins, etc all have demo's

So I would say not all freebies are junk, trash, etc

(and I do not feel my stuff is priced too high, it just depends on what is in the package...)
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12-09-2008 08:28
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Thanks, Brenda
It helps to have a personal shopper :)

My latest obsession is quality, non-bling jewelry. I can't go past Earth Stones without dropping a bundle.


Please share your finds. I am deleting so much jewelry that doesn't allow bling to be turned off. I don't have time to bother with any sort of scrubbers, so it is all getting binned.
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12-09-2008 08:32
From: Brenda Connolly
Please share your finds. I am deleting so much jewelry that doesn't allow bling to be turned off. I don't have time to bother with any sort of scrubbers, so it is all getting binned.

Send all your scrubbers to me please :)
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12-09-2008 08:34
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
When I release new clothing at the store, I will put out a sample of the new stuff as a freebie, yes it will have less permissions on it, well... it is free, can't have it all hehe

The sample is a piece of the set being put out or a color that is not being sold.
I like doing it this way so folks can actually see what is for sale, without it being a demo, they can actually use it

The sample is available for a limited time, so folks have to pop in and get it when I first put it out (usually a week or so, then I take it down)

This is for clothes only though, hair, shoes, skins, etc all have demo's

So I would say not all freebies are junk, trash, etc

(and I do not feel my stuff is priced too high, it just depends on what is in the package...)


Definitely not. Freebies put out by designers are usually good quality, it would be bad business to do otherwise. The few freebies I still have are such, i probably have some of yours. I'm not knocking any of the freebies, they help us all get started, and someone did take time to make them, and the only way to learn is to try.

Your stuff is priced perfectly. It is well made, and has a unique style. I am very happy with what I have from your shop.
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12-09-2008 08:35
From: Dekka Raymaker
Send all your scrubbers to me please :)

A lot are No transfer unfortunately, as are most of the clothes that I've been trashing as well. It's too bad. But that's another debate.
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12-09-2008 08:45
From: Brenda Connolly
Definitely not. Freebies put out by designers are usually good quality, it would be bad business to do otherwise. The few freebies I still have are such, i probably have some of yours. I'm not knocking any of the freebies, they help us all get started, and someone did take time to make them, and the only way to learn is to try.

Your stuff is priced perfectly. It is well made, and has a unique style. I am very happy with what I have from your shop.



aww thanks :)

OH you like non bling jewelry... pop over and see the new line of jewelry I am making (I soooo need to do a youtube video to show the quality of these thing, I LOVE the gemstones and the way they look like real gemstones when you move, they... shine I guess would be the best way to describe them hehe)

I have fun making jewelry.. heck I have fun making everything (sometimes I get silly with stuff I make and even the silly stuff goes out either as a freebie, or dollarbie in the tombola hehe)

case in point on silly stuff, I just made a xmas lights pendant last night that the bulbs change color on LOL
silly but fun
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12-09-2008 08:58
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12-09-2008 09:01
Note: when you put out freebies... no-transfer makes perfect sense, but if you make clothes no mod they're going to look lousy on a lot of avatars... which doesn't make for good advertising.
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12-09-2008 09:04
From: Argent Stonecutter
Note: when you put out freebies... no-transfer makes perfect sense, but if you make clothes no mod they're going to look lousy on a lot of avatars... which doesn't make for good advertising.



my freebies are no mod no transfer....
why?

well they are samples of the clothing I have for sale, so, if folks like it and want mod, they hopefully, will buy the "full package"

after all, freebies/samples/demo's are all used to show the quality of the work, and to hopefully turn folks into customers...

so making it mod would defeat that purpose... would it not? (especially being mine are usually a part of the set for sale (or as mentioned, a color not in the package))


edited to add... mine are pretty much like a demo... except you can use it.. and demo's are pretty much always no mod (otherwise folks would mod them into non demo versions)
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12-09-2008 09:35
I suppose it depends on what you're expecting the freebie to do for you. If you're just making it a demo, then you might as well print "demo" across it... at least let people know that's all it's intended for.

If you want people to wear it and act as walking advertisements for your stuff, you need it to be something that's actually wearable. That works best if it's got prim parts so people can inspect them and see who created them. I find stores that way on a regular basis and I have no idea whether the original item was free or not.

Which goes back to the original question: another way to find good clothes is to "look at the label" by inspecting the clothes on people who have a look you like.
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12-09-2008 09:49
From: Argent Stonecutter
I suppose it depends on what you're expecting the freebie to do for you. If you're just making it a demo, then you might as well print "demo" across it... at least let people know that's all it's intended for.

If you want people to wear it and act as walking advertisements for your stuff, you need it to be something that's actually wearable. That works best if it's got prim parts so people can inspect them and see who created them. I find stores that way on a regular basis and I have no idea whether the original item was free or not.

Which goes back to the original question: another way to find good clothes is to "look at the label" by inspecting the clothes on people who have a look you like.



well with my samples I want the person who gets it to enjoy it, not try it on then delete it from the inventory

I make it no mod, because for me that makes sense for a free item

If it had demo written all over it they will try it on, then most likely delete it, even if they plan to come back later to buy the actual item.... chances are they won't because they deleted the demo (been there done that)

however with an actual piece of the clothing, they can wear it out, use it, etc, and IF they decide they want another color, or the full set, easy to find the way back to the store...

*shrug* of course others ideas and thoughts will vary
(I just found this works best for me)
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12-09-2008 10:01
But if the freebie is no mod, and they aren't the same size as you, it doesn't do them much good if they can't mod it to fit. Perhaps an idea to try would be making your freebies mod via a resizing script so that they can fit it, but not mod the color, etc.?

I don't put out freebies for every release, but when I do it is usually a recolour of an item out for sale and except for a few that stay out all the time, are usually out for a week at the most. I wouldn't put anything out for free that wasn't up to the quality I would sell. I certainly don't want my name floating around out there on items I wouldn't wear myself.
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12-09-2008 10:11
From: Brenda Connolly
SinSkins has an excellent free under 30 skin pack. It got me to be a loyal customer, it is the only skin dealer I patronize.


Sadly, they seem to have retired. Was looking for the store a few days ago and the old store was gone. There were some links to a Pixel Dolls sub-store, but those are not SinSkins.

I agree though, they were fabulous and not outrageously priced like a lot of them.
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12-09-2008 10:18
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Sadly, they seem to have retired. Was looking for the store a few days ago and the old store was gone. There were some links to a Pixel Dolls sub-store, but those are not SinSkins.

I agree though, they were fabulous and not outrageously priced like a lot of them.


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12-09-2008 10:55
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
If it had demo written all over it they will try it on, then most likely delete it, even if they plan to come back later to buy the actual item.... chances are they won't because they deleted the demo (been there done that)

however with an actual piece of the clothing, they can wear it out, use it, etc, and IF they decide they want another color, or the full set, easy to find the way back to the store...
Yah. All I'm saying is... if they're no mod, some people will pretty much have to treat them just like you'd splashed "demo" over them. If that's OK, that's OK, just thought you ought to know.
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12-09-2008 11:00
From: MoiselleErin Teardrop
In shopping on Xstreetsl for some clothes, I noticed that some of the items are insanely expensive while others are reasonable. I also notice the real cheap ones or freebies are not worth a dump, they don't fit right and NO permissions...

Outfits, prices and value are going to be on a case by case basis. Not all $1000 dresses are well made and not all freebies are trash. I have met more than one person who was very proud of their 100% freebie/dollarbie look and they did look fantastic. You have to sort through a lot of pebbles to find the gems that are out there. For the most part, if you want to look like a million bucks then it does not come free.

A quick word of caution. I shop from Xstreet or OnRes often but unless I am familiar with the designer, I will go to their store in world to buy. I know the quality I can expect from Sn@tch, for example, so I have no problem buying something from there on the web.
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12-09-2008 11:00
From: Brenda Connolly
Please share your finds. I am deleting so much jewelry that doesn't allow bling to be turned off. I don't have time to bother with any sort of scrubbers, so it is all getting binned.

(luc) has beautiful jewelry, and nary a bling in sight. This is the shop that used to be Earthtones, but he rebranded recently, I assume due to the confusion with Earthstones.

http://earthtonesboutique.blogspot.com/

Some of his recently releases haven't been quite my cup of tea, but his selection of styles is pretty broad.
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12-09-2008 11:11
From: MoiselleErin Teardrop
In shopping on Xstreetsl for some clothes, I noticed that some of the items are insanely expensive while others are reasonable. I also notice the real cheap ones or freebies are not worth a dump, they don't fit right and NO permissions...

So with the real expensive stuff, is it typical to have more permissions and colors come in the pack?

Is there truely value to the expensive ones or is it usually just someone asking too much?

BTW I can see why someone would pay a fortune for good body parts or a good skin or hair but clothes? Is it justifyable when they price say a set of tee shirts like L$400?

I am not being smart alec or saying "that is stupid" I am just wondering if I should maybe dish out a bit more for things or not.

It took me months and endless hours to make what I do. Hours of practice and I still have a ways to go. I make things because I enjoy them and I do hope for occasional upload cost.
I even have offered on numerous times to make things for others for practically nothing because I enjoy making things. Some items to get right unless you trained 3d artist can take a longer time learning the technique. Friends often suggest I should charge more but the truth is very few sale. People can charge whatever they want for their content, some people think if they pay or charge more quality is "better"
This outfit I have at onrez took months for me to do, its on sale for only 40L it's modifiable, transferable but literally none have sold at onrez. Would it sale more if I charged L$400? Probably not. I have friend who spends endless hours on hand drawn dresses for sale at L$150 she sells maybe 10 a month on good month.
I don't know if higher or lower prices would actually pay more.
Here is item I have at onrez that no one has bought. I am not advertising, I don't
care if anyone buys, just showing off something I did because very few except those who see this image will and even fewer will ever own it. Even though it literally took numerous hours to create and months to get to point I could create image like this.
Image was taken in Ultra settings anything lower you won't see the fabric detail.
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12-09-2008 11:20
Wow people take this very serious.
Still being new to SL, I have not spent a fortune on my avatar's outfits yet, still kind of experimenting with things.
I have no idea how to make my own clothes except in the appearance thing where it says "make shirt/pants..." and either I don't know what I am doing or it just sucks... Plus I am no artist.

Pretty cool for those who make decent looking clothes. I know the competition must be fierce.

Overwhelming responses, but thanks for the input.
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12-09-2008 11:24
FD: that picture really doesn't show off the outfit to best advantage.
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12-09-2008 11:28
If you want to understand fully I suggest MoiselleErin you check out one of the free art programs like Paint.net and try to make some fabric and clothes of your own.
It can be very rewarding, fun, but also very aggravating.
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12-09-2008 11:31
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FD: that picture really doesn't show off the outfit to best advantage.

Hmm well I do the best I can. It is really easy to be critic. I am doing best I can, if people don't appreciate it that is there loss. This was the best I could do with my computer and the time I had to do display. I literally had spent hours, and after I put together the display I realize it had tiny faults. And I was fed up at that point and I didn't want to spend more money to correct the spelling. I was literally drained. I don't put out many products because I absolutely hate doing the displays.
If it it's too perfect no one wants it because it can't be real.
If I take image in ultra and do my best still no one wants it.
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12-09-2008 11:35
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But if the freebie is no mod, and they aren't the same size as you, it doesn't do them much good if they can't mod it to fit. Perhaps an idea to try would be making your freebies mod via a resizing script so that they can fit it, but not mod the color, etc.?

I don't put out freebies for every release, but when I do it is usually a recolour of an item out for sale and except for a few that stay out all the time, are usually out for a week at the most. I wouldn't put anything out for free that wasn't up to the quality I would sell. I certainly don't want my name floating around out there on items I wouldn't wear myself.


my freebies usually do not have stuff that needs to be modded (ie prim parts like skirts and such)

the freebie or sample is to show them mainly the clothing layers

but you do make a good point about at least a resize script in it... (I can't remember if the current samples have the prim parts or not, I don't think they do)
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12-09-2008 11:37
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Yah. All I'm saying is... if they're no mod, some people will pretty much have to treat them just like you'd splashed "demo" over them. If that's OK, that's OK, just thought you ought to know.


have not had any complaints so far

*shrug*

they are free, for free people should not be so darn picky!!

(I have actually seen people complain about a free item... I mean come on!! it is FREE!!)
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