Why are people selling and not telling the truth about the os they are selling

I'm in agreement with the redneck!

The price rise is one thing, constantly saying they were being misused when they themselves said it was ok to use them that way and they knew damn well what led to the growth is scandalous.

What Linden Lab told them could do perhaps? What Linden Lab encouraged them to do perhaps? This has been explained to you many times.

I guess the problem is, people who don't read these boards may not be aware of the pending increases. It does seem a bit unfair to those people buying openspace sims at this time.

Personally I would not be able to sell mine (if I had one) without the moral desecration to let the buyer know.

ohhh crap you mean it was a decrease in prims and an increase in price??!! oh crap no wonder mine have been selling like hot cakes!!!!
i have to reverse my add !

The land store doesn't inform you either, which is a tad disappointing to say the least.

People really need to inform themselves when making decisions like this but if you're on a weekly rental and the landlord tries to hike the price you can leave, that's the beauty of renting.

yes its wrong, yes its life.....


maybe they dont plan on raising the rent on the sim they sell.. maybe its already high enough to cover it......

doesn;t matter they are not trans and gosh you need to own a normal sim to have on eanyhow.. so

they probably dont need to tell anyone anything except the tier for the month if they are renting.. which of course is why we in this fine mess anyhow....

But they didn't beware. A big part of 'bewaring' is smelling something fishy and then not acting on it, regardless of what offhand comments are made in a forum!

It's very easy to tell, actually. Submit a ticket and ask about the status of the island and the appropriate tier. Fortunately, I am already a concierge level member and can do it in live chat. But submitting a ticket and asking would do the same, just let them know that you are contemplating buying X island and you want to confirm the tier and prims and payment date.

In a large USD transaction, I prefer to "trust but verify."

Especially if someone tells you they are selling you a grandfathered sim with old tier rates. I am fortunate that the sellers I have dealt with have all been on the up and up about it, but you never know who is going to shank you.

There was a custom and practice issue that arose due to how widespread the usage was. Those who converted their full sims to Openspaces did so to fend off impending financial crisis.

The Linden's were told about this many times.

There may be a couple of reasons for the "landlord" not telling the "tenants" about the rate increase.

1. If the landlord had a knee-jerk reaction to LL's price increase, then when LL changed the pricing again, it leaves additional work on the part of the estate owner, as well as potentially increasing unneeded anxiety amongst their customers.

2. Maybe the landlord is planning to absorb the price increase.

3. Maybe the landlord is delaying any price increase till July.

So to me, those are very responsible reasons why a landlord would not be telling their tenants about the LL price increase immediately after its been announced.

because they can.

Because an informed customer base is a customer base who will not be purchasing your Openspace sims.

In all fairness, with all the brouhaha about openspaces, I find it entirely likely that it honestly never occurred to the seller that somebody currently looking for land is *not* aware of it.
It would still be good form to mention it, but not doing so may not necessarily be a rip-off attempt.

ETA: If you mean renting out plots on a soon-to-be Homestead (rather than selling the entire openspace itself), and not saying anything about coming price increases, then yes, that seems rather deliberately shady.

I believe it was Sy Syms who said "An educated consumer is our best customer".

People say a lot of things. Syms (Conveniently located across from Super Duper Weenie *drool*) sells clothing, not electronic land. An 'educated' Syms customer knows how much clothes Syms sells costs there vs. other retail outlets (that is, less). 'An educated customer is our best customer' because an educated customer buys at Syms, all things being equal.

Conversely, an educated customer who buys an Openspace region today knows that in a few months, they lose a significant portion of their prim space, or if they keep using the prims, faces a rate increase, and then another. Granted, people are going to keep buying these things because they need them. When the estate increase hit, I was working for somebody who was JUST ABOUT to buy an island for their retail operation when the increase hit and they said 'ok, this sucks, but it doesn't change the fact that we need this island', so they went ahead (and months later went bust, though I blame the decision to buy an island, not the increase). So, there are a percentage of people who know what's coming and need the openspace/homestead anyway. But there's another percentage of some size who might not know and if they did know, not buy.

Therefore, it's arguably smarter (if terribly underhanded), on the part of a panicked estate owner looking to unload a few soon-to-be-more-expensive OSs to /assume/, wink wink, that everybody knows what's going on and not waste anybodies time belabouring the point during the negotiations, and let good old 'caveat emptor' cover everything afterwards.

They do it because they can, but that does not make it right.

If I were renting out OS sims, I would think it is only fair to mention the price now, in January and in July. After all, people are going to put a lot of work in their homes, and within 2 months they will get a bill that is 33% higher then they agreed on. They might decide to stay for that money, put in more work, and get the next 33% increase 6 months later. And all that information was well known to the landlord. Something I think is not fair.

The people still having OS sims for "sale" (pay upfront, then pay monthly rents) are doing damage control. Which comes down to controlling their damage by screwing someone else.

But it is very different Phil.
At that given moment in time you purchased something you found worth the price. Of course its sour grapes if shortly afterward the same item is on sale, but you thought the item was worth it, so you were not screwed. No money lost.
In the case of the OS sims, it is not the purchase price that is causing the problems. It is the monthly costs. Something you do not have with a couch.

People still renting out OS sims to new renters for 25.000 linden per month without informing the user about the coming price raise, are doing exactly what they are accusing LL of: screwing their customers.

the 95.00 doesn't bother me to much, the 125 bothers me a lot.

SL is full of the same people that we find in the real world - some will cheat their own mother if they can manage to make money from it.

Cool.

I can see a few reasons for this.

1. The (futile, cloud level, miracle) vain hope that LL will come to its sense and do away with it.

2. Aren't aware of the change themselves. Yes, there are some who bury their heads in the sand and don't pay any attention to the world around them.

3. Are figuring that they're going to lose the renters anyways when they up the rent. And thus want that last couple of months worth of rent before they hike it.

4. Feel that the renters and potential renters already are aware of it, since it's been posted in blogs other than LL and spread far and wide.

5. Were already abusing the resources of an OS, thus don't give a flip about the current/potential renters.

If you are looking at renting a space on an OS (folks you can tell it's an OS when the darn thing has 3750 (not exact) prims when added up), ask the owner how the new price hike will affect their rental agreement. If they refuse to answer or answer hostilely, then you didn't want to rent from them anyways. If they don't know about it, then you've enlightened a poor sot who really needs to spend more time off their island.

I agree, but the price increase *does* piss *me* off--not the increase to $95, which I'm not crazy about but can live with, but the increase in July to $125.

As for anyone selling OS without disclosing the pending increases, we should be clear about whether we're talking about an actual transfer on the LL books (in which case there's a certain amount of caveat emptor validly at play) or the "selling" which is actually renting because the owner of record doesn't change with LL. In the latter case, I think, while people *should* be aware, it's a bit shady for the owner/landlord to not mention it.

If you're buying, you have a certain responsibility to do some research. If you're renting, you can always leave if a change occurs that doesn't jive with your idea of fair. (The truth that *all* of us are actually renters, since LL owns the grid, notwithstanding.)

Just look at the prim limit, if its 15000 its a full sim, if it's 3750 its Open space

I think you’ll find a lot of people don’t know about it. I think some people are selling off their OS’s are well aware of that and are simply taking advantage.

I had a look at the land for sale and made a few inquiries of my own and there does appear to be some shady dealings going on.

One dude is selling off heaps of tiny OS parcels with barely enough prim to rezz a house. The only indication I found of OS was the prim count when I landed. I questioned him in an IM he was online and he never responded.

I agree with the whole buyer beware thing, but I know that when I started to look at land I had no idea I was renting on an openspace or what that meant. How could I, it doesn’t give any explanation anywhere about the land or what it’s for. Sometimes the covenant would say Openspace………..but that means F all to a lot of people.

I think the worse people are the ones selling them, not renting them out, renters can move on without having wasted a lot of initial out lay……..there are OS’s out there selling for 60k FFS……..that’s just wrong!