Grats to all those using Openspace as intended

For people who use them as real open spaces, LL have pretty much done a u-turn - I agree with that.

The truth is that a full island is just too expensive for the average person's personal use.

Why not mainland? Because you are not guaranteed to have any water, or a nice view. That isn't to say that it can't be done on mainland (I and many others do it), but the amount of privacy and control you can offer is vastly limited. If you want to offer an elite product, you get an island. Of some sort.

Personally, I wish more of these people would buy mainland. The mainland would improve if there were more large landholders that cared about their neighborhoods. I am proud of the little communities I've created. I think my neighbors have been appreciative of it. I have certainly appreciated the folks who have taken the time to build nice communities near me.

But why does a store need water and a view? I honestly believe that the ones who are complaining that the business will have to shut down (stores, not rentals) just want the full sim area because it's nice, and not because it's necessary.

I own about 2/3 of the mainland sim my store is in and, since the store is in the sky, I try to do that with the ground, but it's hard when most of it is granite and slopes steeply

If you think that a sim with 750 prims is the product that they advertised then you need to take a quick journey to specsavers.

There weren't any rules, there was a guideline that said if you don't play ball we won't support you.

Yes, me to we have a max on the sim at one time of maybe 4
we use just about all the prims, but its all trees and forest and a tiny castle tucked into it.
I do not hold events or have venues on mine nor do I have huge cpu dragging scripts.. We use it for what was I understood its intent... To add forest or water... I put a house up omg now I have to suffer? I'm not renting it or abusing it in anyway...
I have mnoticed the past week a remarkable lag on the sim. Nothign changed as far as adding any new scripts and we are at a loss to understand why.

Point being, if I am to pay this money a month I do not want the limited bandwidth or whatever you call it to be bogging down my sim. I dont want miss Cleos sim where she has a venue and invited 20 people to dance and sing and run their legal gambling devices who just might be on the same cpu as me to bog me down..
I should not have to pay extra for this I feel when I am doing what I assumed was correct.. Now of course the 750 prim thing comes up....

See I have a regular sim I use for my venue, store and rentals.... The OS I have is my home.

I totally understand about the abuse of these sims, but i never heard about ant 750 prim limit when i bought mine, I read the 3750... I do not recall ever seeing anythign about 750 prim limit..

where can i file for a homestead exemption??

And also, if I may.... LL you ask for more money for this issue, and meanwhile I get constant "display driver failed to respond" SL crash,. OMG IM Black from teh waist down!! Why does these boots make my ass black... OMG, I lose you on voice.. what did you say???

priorities please. if I keep crashing, Im not having fun and If I cant communicate with others, what the hell am I here for??

My store sits on my normal sim, my home sits on an OS sim. I like the privacy and the low lag of having my store off mainland,.

Exactly, I don't see it as any kind of u turn at all. It's the same crap, different delivery. SAME product, different name. Prices will still increase by 66% and you get NOTHING more for your 66%

Exactly. The ones who complain that they'll have to shut their stores down are those who have them on OS sims.

so instead of increasing peoples sim prices by $50.00 a month for 3750 prims?
they are taking away 3000 prims and no increase in money?
ok who thinks this is a U-Turn? because now you are still paying the same price you were for a fraction of the product..if you ask me they got more than $50.00 increase
can you even make a forest with 750 prims on a sim?
sounds more like a couple waves some jet ski's and surfboard and you are capped..

It's not a U Turn. They just backed the truck over you and drove off.

i really have to make sure i am not drinking something when i read your posts.i think that is twice now

It doesn't. But many people want their home near their store, and don't want to pay for two different pieces of land.

As for the granite... yeah, I feel you. But I kind of like putting up houses on trellised platforms. It adds a bit of character instead of the same flat green.

I actually missed them opening up single open sims, I was away for quite a bit, if I had not been, I'd have one and be STILL pissed off right now...

Why?
because my intended use would be a personal home, something to make pretty and park like, so that if friends or neighbors dropped by, they could enjoy the scenery. that and have anice spot to test and build... IIRC sandboxes were a suggested usage originally no?

but 750 prims? that's just a bit silly, seeing as you could kill that before you got done installing park benchs and a few wandering paths. and while I can see limiting avs, if that limit is as ridiculous as the first...

sorry, but a 'park' is a place people go, and while I doubt more than 10 would show up on a build of mine, I expect some people might see a bit more than that at peak.

great, they want to limit use on sims packed to capacity because they're offering cheap rental, continually overload with scripts, I can see that...

but they've marketed themselves right out of a lot of potential sales STILL with overrestriction, and people who weren't overloading before, are gonna have to drop out because of this STILL.

doen't make much sense to me... it'ss a concession in name only, that will really only exempt people with money to burn, so they can have a whole water sim to go jetskiing in or whatnot...

Someone figured out that they would cluster 5 of the openspaces to a server, which would explain the deep cut in prims.

It's still a huge money grab, bottom line.

Good plan. I'm usually drinking when I write them.

Exactly. "Some people want ...". There is no reason why anyone who put a store on an OS sim can't move the store into a parcel on a full sim, just like most other stores. But they like the full sim area - they want it because it's nice. They don't have to close their stores down at all, but they claim that they have to.

It's a u-turn inasmuch as the old price has been restored, whereas is had completely gone before yesterday. Yes, you get less for it, but that's what the u-turn is.

There are many things wrong with the new deal, including the reduction to 750 prims on OS sims, instead of the orginal 1850, but one of the most wrong ones is that you can use those 750 prims for trees etc. but if you use some of them for a house, the price goes up drastically. It's just nonsense, imo. The 10 avs limit is fine for a home (I even suggested that myself), but a different price according to what the prims are used for is pure nonsense.

In this case the funny thing is that many people are happy with the change. If this would have been the original message, those people would not be near happy.

Why? Because in fact nothing changes. Okay, you get a bit more time before the new prices kick in, but it still is a 67% rise for people using the resources they were given in the first place. So if they simply would limit the amount of avatars, and the script use, the price change is not justified at all. And if you read well, they are going to implement these things anyway. So to wrap it up in no-Linden-words:

- We will limit the use of the open spaces, and call them homesteads. Your price will rise 67%, but it will take a few more months. So you will get a less, but pay more.
- We will introduce extra-light open spaces, where you will only get 750 prims. But you will stay on the old price. So, you will get a lot less, but pay the same.

Ergo: Pay a lot more, and get a bit less, or pay the same, and get a lot less. You must admire the LL guys though: they managed to bring it as good news, and a lot of people took it that way

I've seen very few people posting contentment with it. To me, it looks like tha vast majority are up in arms about it.

The Homestead sim isn't a homestead at all. If it is, why does it need to capability of having events and classifieds? It has those capabilities, so it must be envisaged as being used for more than just a home.

LL have got completely wrong. If I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of people use OS sims as homes, but LL hasn't come up with a home-type sim. The new OS sims would be perfect if they had a few more prims - 750 isn't quite enough for a home sim. The so-called homestead sim has more than enough for a home, but it's too high a price for one. There simply isn't a suitable sim for a home.

Agree 100%

It's us single home owners who love as bit of openspace (no pun intended) around our 1 home (for tree's flowers etc) that are the ones being punished the most.

there is no product for us being put forward.

I don't need 20 AV's on my front garden thanks all the same.

We has very bare openspaces on offer
We have (current ish spec) openspcaes on offer for a lot more money but you can not officially subdivide and rent out homes on them.

but where's the middle package?

And (the double whammy) many (most) of us rent our openspaces from Estate managers who wil of course pass the price rise on. But I know many of them won't then allow us residents to cut our openspace up (which we wil be paying the new Linden price PLUS the estate managers markup) so we can get a small return to offset the cost.

I could (for example) cut my sim in half and then cut that half into a further 3, and have a small rental coming in (on the half I'm not living on) to suppliment my new costs to my Estate manager.

but Im sure I will not be allowed to do that, as then I will be in competition with my estate manager on renting homes on the estate

So like many..

I will have to pay $125, PLUS another $25 or $30 on top (profit for the estate manager) and then I won't even be allowed to rent some places on my openspace as it will fall foul of the estate rules.

So shafted from both directions

so if i decide to use it at times as a sandbox for things for my real sims i would get an increase?
or is it for permanent structures?

I agree 100% here. I can only interpret it as LL simply not wanting the hassle of such individual home owners, preferring them on mainland or handled by estate rental businesses.
Whether it'll lead to people being driven to one of those, or simply giving up on having a home entirely is the big question. I must say, I am not exactly *rushing* out to do the next big land investment after writing off this one.

...and you're in trouble if you have, say, a bird or squirrel avatar, since trees would obviously be your home then, and hence something you need to pay more for.
(And that's even only half joking. Trying to define such subjective use rather than simply allowing certain technical limits is bound to create absurd situations).

Front page of Secondlife web page... BUild your dream home.... But please do it on a 300.00 a month sim or on mainland because frankly we just dont want you to live on the openspace sims because we want to save money and clump a bunch of your together.
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