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Remove "Ladyboy" from the list of Adult keys!

Argent Stonecutter
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05-04-2009 04:27
From: Johan Laurasia
I don't know anyone who's 'openly straight', do you?
Every time I put my wedding ring on, that's being 'openly straight'.
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Dnali Anabuki
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05-04-2009 07:40
At last a jira post I understand..voted. (on principal and because I am naive and intend to stay that way)

I think it is important to have a mature or PG version of the gender, just as there is for other genders however...

I don't think LL will go for it. At the end of the day it may be necessary to change the group name to something else because the term Ladyboy is too compromised. How about Kathoey? Have LL change the name of the club gratis for you in compensation?

All you need is some enterprising soul on the Adult continent deciding to call his escort club "ladyboys" and the line is blurred all over again.
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Milla Janick
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05-04-2009 07:46
From: Johan Laurasia
Vote away, it's never going to happen. It makes reference to transsexuals, hence it will be considered adult regardless of how many people (are dumb enough) to think it's not.

At least four other common words referring to transsexuals are not filtered.
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Naz Fride
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05-04-2009 08:52
You know I voted.
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05-04-2009 09:27
From: Dnali Anabuki
At the end of the day it may be necessary to change the group name to something else because the term Ladyboy is too compromised. How about Kathoey? Have LL change the name of the club gratis for you in compensation?
Great, at least I know now where Blondin got that idea from :D.

It's not about changing the name of a club. There is no club and there is no enterprising business involved. Just a group of people. People that are real, some that are undecided, some that are curious, some that are supporters and some that even come with the obvious expectations. That's life. In it's variety.

Perhaps we try to change "transsexual" into "genderbender"? Great idea, isn't it? Let me see if I can find a local contact in Google so they can implement that immediately ;).
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05-04-2009 09:33
What a good idea to do a deal of some sort?

Pep (Give the poets back "gay" and you can keep "ladyboy";)
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05-04-2009 10:44
From: Kyrah Abattoir
The following keywords from the list aren't necessarly tied to sexual activities, or nudity hence i demand them to be removed from the list:
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Asphyxiation:
falls under the depictions of death/torture clause, but political discussion of torture shouldn't rate more than mature.

FWIW I agree that none of the terms should fall automatically under 'adult' several uses (especially in context) should fall under 'mature'. Slave most definitely shouldn't given the historical and political context.

From: Milla Janick
There must be something about this one other than goth fashion. "Lolita" and "Lolicon" don't rate filtering at all, but "Loli" rates a total ban, and has for some time.
actually lolita is banned too (unless they've lifted that restriction and I missed it, they may have just not added it to the search filter) the reason given was the usage in depicting underage girls as sexual targets, and came from the whole pedophilia uproar.

but outright word bans based on a single usage, or by singular association with 'adult' contexts has never made sense (and it's why filtering software is damn near useless) one context does not denote another. I made a suggestion for a more sane method in the comments of the Jira.
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Milla Janick
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05-04-2009 12:23
From: Void Singer
actually lolita is banned too (unless they've lifted that restriction and I missed it, they may have just not added it to the search filter) the reason given was the usage in depicting underage girls as sexual targets, and came from the whole pedophilia uproar.

It's not blocked from search right now, but it wouldn't surprise me if that changed.

Oddly, it looks like you can register all three as avatar names through the official SL registration portal.

It also looks like it's possible to register names blocked by SL through other portals. I'm thinking about abusing the GossipGirl registration page. I wonder if they'd IP ban me over that.
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05-04-2009 12:38
From: Johan Laurasia
Vote away, it's never going to happen. It makes reference to transsexuals, hence it will be considered adult regardless of how many people (are dumb enough) to think it's not. It has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with the fact that many gays and transgendered people wear their sexuality on their shirt sleeves, and have lost sight of the fact that it regards sexuality (hence the adult rating), and should be private, and not thrown in everyone's face. Personally, I'm straight, but I don't go around broadcasting that information to the world like gays do. I don't know anyone who's 'openly straight', do you?

I believe that most of the idiot boxes have now been ticked.
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Amity Slade
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05-04-2009 14:20
This discussion shows that Linden Lab is somewhat confused between a content filter protecting adults from what they do not want to see, and protecting children from content that they want to see.

If we are talking about a filter to protect children, I can almost understand that the list of words would be overbroad to include terms with an overtly sexual meaning, whether or not they have more innocent non-sexual uses. The point of such a filter is to keep them from the kind of content or issues that they should be discussing first with a parent. Even though I believe it is a good thing to break children from slavery to rigid gender roles as early as possible, when and how that happens I will leave to the discretion of the children's parents.

A filter to assist adults need not be overbroad. Such a list should be tailored to include only those words that have nothing but an overtly sexual or offensive meaning. Adults (presumably) need not worry about being exposed to concepts from a stranger which they'd be better of discussing with their parents first.

But Linden Lab does not understand the difference between protecting children and assisting adults, which means that they are not going to be able to develop an appropriate list. They just don't understand conceptually what they are doing.
Amity Slade
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05-04-2009 14:24
From: Johan Laurasia
It has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with the fact that many gays and transgendered people wear their sexuality on their shirt sleeves, and have lost sight of the fact that it regards sexuality (hence the adult rating), and should be private, and not thrown in everyone's face. Personally, I'm straight, but I don't go around broadcasting that information to the world like gays do. I don't know anyone who's 'openly straight', do you?


This is a common factual mistake.

Turn on the television any time, or the radio, or go to the mall. You will see a far higher percentage display of open heterosexuality than homosexuality than one would expect based on the percentages of actual heterosexuals than homosexuals. The blatant sexual displays of heterosexuality are just so commonplace, that most of us are desensitized to them and just don't notice.

I challenge you to spend five minutes at your local mall and not see a couple being openly straight.
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05-04-2009 16:32
From: Amity Slade
I challenge you to spend five minutes at your local mall and not see a couple being openly straight.

I got a better Idea... let just ban heterosexual too... maybe someone will get that point, and heck the words male and female while we're at it. then the intersex folks can take over.
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05-04-2009 17:13
From: Void Singer
I got a better Idea... let just ban heterosexual too... maybe someone will get that point, and heck the words male and female while we're at it. then the intersex folks can take over.



the beginning of the rise of the robots in sl !!!!!!


and about time too ;)
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05-04-2009 18:09
From: Maelstrom Janus
the beginning of the rise of the robots in sl !!!!!!


and about time too ;)

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Boy Lane
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05-05-2009 17:15
Thank you Bau Ur for attending the bug triage meeting and also your mail.

I can confirm that Ladyboy was taken off the filter list and is no longer restricted in search results. So it seems there is willingness from LL side to get things done together with residents instead against them.

I also had a long chat with Blondin 2 days ago and explained to him that nobody is per se against a working Adult Policy as it would make SL a better place for all. But the key here is "working". I asked him to open for dialogue with residents to work things out together instead of forcing not-ready policies; and by doing so alienate a huge percentage of the population. That's a start here.

Thank you all for your support! We can achieve change and improvement together and we just did!

Boy

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Kara Spengler
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05-05-2009 17:51
From: Boy Lane

I can confirm that Ladyboy was taken off the filter list and is no longer restricted in search results. So it seems there is willingness from LL side to get things done together with residents instead against them.


Yay!!!!!!
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Melissa Jaynesford
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12-08-2009 08:36
I agree. Any adult flag should be based on what type of content and behavior the area contains, not the gender(s) of the people who inhabit it.
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