I Really cannot understand the traffic score
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Henry Grumiaux
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09-14-2007 08:40
and I can't find at the knowledge base also..
someone can me explain ???
I See the score changes one time per day...
Sho, whit criteria is ? I based on the previous days ? maybe average of the 3 previous days ? predition to the next day ?? What is ?
and the score ? hot it's really works ? a friend told me that when a avatar arrives, it's increase 1 point.and for each 5 minutes it's increases more 1 point, but I really dunno.
ty
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Meade Paravane
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09-14-2007 08:56
Traffic is not meant to be understood. Really.
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Henry Grumiaux
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09-14-2007 09:56
From: Meade Paravane Traffic is not meant to be understood. Really. Well...let me see if everybody agree with this answer... btw.. ty !
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Argent Asbrink
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09-14-2007 10:16
From: Meade Paravane Traffic is not meant to be understood. Really. That's just silly! Shame on you for such a spurious answer, when it's SO easy, really! Now...if it's a Tuesday, and you live in a city which has a name than begins in "W" or "T", then you can expect to see traffic increase on a per capita basis, one point for every avatar that visits your area, depending on the amount of time they spend there. If the avatars are male, they're given 1 point for every 5 minutes they spend there. Unless they're camping, and it's a Friday or Ugandan national holiday, then they're credited with 2 points for every 17.5 minutes they spend on their feet. Sitting is worth 1/2 pt, unless it's a furry avatar on a Monday night.....
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JessyAnne Theas
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09-14-2007 10:33
That's the best explanation I've ever heard.
So far I've noticed I sell more things when my traffic is low.. or my place falls "midway" down the list of search
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Henry Grumiaux
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09-14-2007 11:39
From: Argent Asbrink That's just silly! Shame on you for such a spurious answer, when it's SO easy, really!
Now...if it's a Tuesday, and you live in a city which has a name than begins in "W" or "T", then you can expect to see traffic increase on a per capita basis, one point for every avatar that visits your area, depending on the amount of time they spend there. If the avatars are male, they're given 1 point for every 5 minutes they spend there. Unless they're camping, and it's a Friday or Ugandan national holiday, then they're credited with 2 points for every 17.5 minutes they spend on their feet. Sitting is worth 1/2 pt, unless it's a furry avatar on a Monday night..... let me understand some concepts...Sorry, I'm silly sometimes  Male avatars score different from female avatars ? business days 1 point for each 5 minutes ? and non business days: 2 points for each 17.5 minutes ? Is this correct ? And seated avatars....1/2 point for each 5 minutes ?? Other question: 1 point for each 5 minutes...and when the avatar arrives ? point too ?
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JessyAnne Theas
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09-14-2007 11:43
/blinks
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Atashi Toshihiko
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09-14-2007 11:47
From: Argent Asbrink That's just silly! Shame on you for such a spurious answer, when it's SO easy, really!
Now...if it's a Tuesday, and you live in a city which has a name than begins in "W" or "T", then you can expect to see traffic increase on a per capita basis, one point for every avatar that visits your area, depending on the amount of time they spend there. If the avatars are male, they're given 1 point for every 5 minutes they spend there. Unless they're camping, and it's a Friday or Ugandan national holiday, then they're credited with 2 points for every 17.5 minutes they spend on their feet. Sitting is worth 1/2 pt, unless it's a furry avatar on a Monday night..... Unless of course you're actually logging in from the southern hemisphere, in which case of course everything's done backwards. You know, I heard that the whole traffic system was coded by the seventh alt of a seventh alt, at a corner where five sims met, sitting in the light of a full perms moon. After the system was compiled, everyone present was ruthed... -Atashi
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-14-2007 11:52
I doubt you will get a serious answer to this question
because many many ppl do not understand or do not know the mathematics behind the traffic numbers
traffic is very overrated
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Dzonatas Sol
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09-14-2007 11:55
lol, I like those better!
score / 24 / 5 = average people per hour... something like that
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Avion Raymaker
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09-14-2007 12:03
From: Rhaorth Antonelli I doubt you will get a serious answer to this question
because many many ppl do not understand or do not know the mathematics behind the traffic numbers
traffic is very overrated It is nice to be able to check which land parcels are getting visited, based on what key words you put in your land description, compared to the parcel that's tied to the classified ad. But I feel like I do all kinds of things myself that don't get counted. Tele in and out, fly across opposite borders of the sim, etc. I also see other people coming to visit, and they don't necessarily get counted either. Does it not display the results immediately? I did get a big kick out of Argent's answer. Sadly, it's the most logical explanation I've seen!
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-14-2007 12:04
I meant it really is useless for determining popular places people use camping to inflate that number
I was once told how traffic was calculated but have since forgotten the formula
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Illdoit Tomorrow
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09-14-2007 12:07
From: Henry Grumiaux and I can't find at the knowledge base also..
someone can me explain ???
I See the score changes one time per day...
Sho, whit criteria is ? I based on the previous days ? maybe average of the 3 previous days ? predition to the next day ?? What is ?
and the score ? hot it's really works ? a friend told me that when a avatar arrives, it's increase 1 point.and for each 5 minutes it's increases more 1 point, but I really dunno.
ty From my tests some time back, it appears that the traffic count is roughly 1 point per minute spent by an avatar on your property. It appears to reset every day, and does not seem to be averaged.
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Cristalle Karami
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09-14-2007 12:09
From: Illdoit Tomorrow From my tests some time back, it appears that the traffic count is roughly 1 point per minute spent by an avatar on your property. It appears to reset every day, and does not seem to be averaged. I believe it's 5 minutes.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-14-2007 12:17
decided to do a little research and found this on the wiki... (keep in mind the payout option is no longer valid, that was known as Dwell) this is from the SL History Wiki -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Traffic From SL History Wiki Traffic (formerly known as "dwell" since SL 1.5.13 (Jan 12, 2005)) refers to the amount of resident-related traffic a land parcel receives. Traffic is a total number based on the amount of residents and how much time they spend on that parcel. The owner is then paid an amount of money from a shared "pot" based on the total traffic their parcel has earned (this is being deprecated--see links below). Traffic is also used for listings in the Find window, such as "Popular Places". Traffic was put in place as a way of gauging interest in a build or location. It replaced the Voting Stations system. Due to abuse by some residents using tactics such as "camping chairs" (chairs that you would get paid to sit in and "dwell" on the land at the same time), along with an economic inflation, payment from traffic will be removed. However, traffic will still be used for the Find listings. [edit] More Detailed Explanation (From Cory Linden at a Town Hall on 12/03/04): Every user gets a set number of traffic points to give out during the 24 hours between midnight and midnight. Any parcel of land that the user spends more than 5 sequential minutes on gets counted as a place that they spent time. [Separate] parcels owned by the resident (or group) are counted as if they were the same parcel. The user's points are then evenly divided between those parcels. So, if I was online for 1 hour and spent 20 minutes on resident A's parcel and 40 minutes on resident B's parcel, resident A would get 33% of my points and resident B would get 66%. Alternately, if I only spent 5 minutes online and spent all of it on resident A's land, she would receive all of my points. Those raw point totals are what is reported in the find window. To get from those to L$, we normalize the total against the total amount of L$ we are giving away that day (all L$ paid from traffic is taken from a shared "pot"  and give out the money proportionately. If the owner is an individual, they just get the L$. If it is a group, then the L$ are split between the group members.
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Jessica Elytis
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09-14-2007 12:23
From: Henry Grumiaux Quote: Originally Posted by Meade Paravane Traffic is not meant to be understood. Really.
Well...let me see if everybody agree with this answer... btw.. ty ! Yes, we do. imo, Traffic, as it stands, is a farce. Something from the early days of SL that no longer has a place, yet is continued to be craddled in the bussom of the management for some unknown reason. But actually, I do have a LL supplied answer on the mathmatical equations used. It's on a notecard on my avatar, so if you really want it, shoot me an IM and I'll zip it over to you. Be advised, I've looked at various lands in comparison to the equation I was given by LL and I find their equation full of s***. I'll still pass it on to you if you want, but truely, I don't see Traffic as meaning a darn thing except for places to avoid if the Traffic is over 30k. I tend to start at the BOTTOM of the search list, because I find better new stuff there than at the top of the list. I have found that a good majority of those at the top of the list are there by gaming the system, not by actually being popular. *shrugs* ~Jessy
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Bradley Bracken
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09-14-2007 12:27
From: Jessica Elytis I'll still pass it on to you if you want, but truely, I don't see Traffic as meaning a darn thing except for places to avoid if the Traffic is over 30k. I tend to start at the BOTTOM of the search list, because I find better new stuff there than at the top of the list. I have found that a good majority of those at the top of the list are there by gaming the system, not by actually being popular. *shrugs*
~Jessy I'm with you on that Jessy. I rarely waste my time at the top of the list and am finding some nice gems at the bottom. I am surprised when occasionally I find one of my favorite high quality stores at the top of a search, but thats the exception rather than the rule. I've found so many at the top of the list have such horrible crap that there is no way the numbers were created in any legitimate manner.
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Avion Raymaker
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09-14-2007 12:47
From: Bradley Bracken I'm with you on that Jessy. I rarely waste my time at the top of the list and am finding some nice gems at the bottom. I am surprised when occasionally I find one of my favorite high quality stores at the top of a search, but thats the exception rather than the rule.
I've found so many at the top of the list have such horrible crap that there is no way the numbers were created in any legitimate manner. Jessy, Bradley, and others, I agree with you for the most part, but please read my post on page 1 that suggests that there are decent, legitimate ways to use the traffic number that doesn't involve trying to cheat the search index. So I think you're wrong when you say it has no place. If LL wants to take it out of the search index, I have no problem whatsoever. But don't take it out of the land parcel itself, please! -Avion
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Sarah Nerd
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09-14-2007 12:57
I was just blogging about this earlier today. http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/554I've decided that they should change the name of the popular list category to "Where to Camp" or, "Who's pays the most campers". Calling it "Popular" places is kinda misleading.
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Domaiv Decosta
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09-14-2007 13:17
Is it not calculated by a trafficbot?
They visit each plot and put in a notecard who is there, once they have visited all the plots in their area they go back and start again. If the same AV is in the same place the next time they visit a point is earned.
A little bit like RL traffic wardens except less Nazi like.
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Henry Grumiaux
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09-14-2007 13:39
First...I've (yes) intention to bring more trafic to my sim.Sure !
I promote several events, also I'm trying to bring to my sim the best stores of SL...
Well..Im realy trying to increase my traffic without camping.Camping is more expensive to me to keep.
But I Don't understand the concept...will be mor difiiculty to me to get the right directions...I started this threade because...
1) I made a event "A" for 4 hours in a day.Next day I made the event "B" that has beeen crowded more then "A", however the difference at the score on the next day was not expressive.Also, after 2 follwiong events days....2 following days with no events...and I saw the traffic decreasing with a clear sensation of average of the lastest days...
let me try to explain
1 day after event A (not so crowded): 15000 1 day after event B and 2 days after Event A: (very crowsed evet): 15700 2 days before event A (in a day with no events): 14800 3 days before event A (in a day with no events): 13000 4 days before event A (in a day with no events): 10000
Well..I really felt a sort of progressive and regressive count move..That's the reason that I really can't understand the trafic score.
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Cristalle Karami
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09-14-2007 13:44
Henry.
If you read the quoted history, traffic represents the proportionate amount of time spent by avatars at your site, relative to other places. If someone is on for 12 hours a day, but only spends 1 hour at your event, you get 1/12 of the avatar's traffic points. But if someone is on for 1 hour a day and spends it at your event, you get all of their traffic points. It is relative to the amount of time the avatars have spent elsewhere. So, theoretically, you could have better attendance, but if your guests all spent a lot of time online and spent much of it elsewhere, you could see a difference if on another day, you had fewer people but those people spent more of their proportionate online time at your event.
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Bradley Bracken
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09-14-2007 13:47
One reason I'd love to see traffic go away from search is because it doesn't take into account certain variables on type of business. For example:
The club I work in has events. Out of respect for our local shops we have them only at certain times of day for 2 hours. When we have an event our club may be packed and frequently a large crowd will stay afterwards but if the DJ stays and the Host stays it's their choice. Basically their job is over. This frequently results in the club being empty between events.
If you compare our numbers to a club that may have staff on duty for much longer hours but is not nearly as busy they will likely to show up higher on the list because they have more traffic during the day.
I presume I am understanding this correctly. There are just too many variables and will always be too many ways to manipulate them. Traffic in search is just a complete waste.
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JessyAnne Theas
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09-14-2007 13:49
In what order would places be listed in search then?
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Bradley Bracken
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09-14-2007 13:55
From: JessyAnne Theas In what order would places be listed in search then? Very easy. I use to work for a major hotel chain. Because of franchising issues there had to be a fair way for the order of hotels to come up on the screen when a person would call to worldwide reservations to inquire about any city that had multiple hotels. The solution was easy. Each day the hotel at the top of the list would move to the bottom and the others would all move up one notch. With the search results being much longer in SL I think it would be best to have the results rotate hourly or at least more frequent, but simple coding could make it work. That way LL is completely out of it and cannot be accused of playing favorites and no one would have any reason to manipulate their traffic numbers.
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