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TundraFire Nightfire
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10-30-2009 12:39
From: VonGklugelstein Alter If I worked for LL and you did that I would perma ban your ass ?...not trying to pick a fight here, but I'm not sure of your reason for the perma ban. I ARd ad farms back when they were a blight on the mainland. It was the overwhelming irritation to the Lindens of constant complaints and gripes from residents about ad farms that got them to act.
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VonGklugelstein Alter
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10-30-2009 21:11
From: TundraFire Nightfire ?...not trying to pick a fight here, but I'm not sure of your reason for the perma ban. I ARd ad farms back when they were a blight on the mainland. It was the overwhelming irritation to the Lindens of constant complaints and gripes from residents about ad farms that got them to act. it sounded harsher than it was meant.. I have an aversion to people soliciting Mass AR's If there is a legitimate problem that affects somebody directly they should take it upon themselfes to decide which is the best way to handle a problem.. not everything needs to be AR'd .. sometimes a simple IM works to fix stuff.
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Chris Norse
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10-31-2009 10:22
One question. How can the signs be eyesores, but that dog ass ugly castle not be? I would rather see a field of the signs before that castle.
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Pussycat Catnap
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10-31-2009 10:43
From: VonGklugelstein Alter it sounded harsher than it was meant.. I have an aversion to people soliciting Mass AR's So if your neighborhood had a neighborhood watch organization, and you were the local landlord, you'd evict them all for having the audacity to call the police anytime a crime happened to one of them?
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Rime Wirsing
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10-31-2009 10:52
Google this
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TundraFire Nightfire
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10-31-2009 10:53
From: Chris Norse One question. How can the signs be eyesores, but that dog ass ugly castle not be? I would rather see a field of the signs before that castle. The lot next to the signs is my home, and on the other side of my property is another dog ass ugly castle, only bigger. It actually reaches above the ban-lines. I'm surrounded on both sides by ugly dog asses, but neither is set to full bright. Those lovely For Sale signs are set to full bright. What adds an extra dollop of loveliness to the For Sale castle is that it's not for sale. It is straddling two 512 plots (each priced originally at $150,000, though now reduced to $125,000.) but the castle does not come with the sale of either plot.
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10-31-2009 10:54
From: Pussycat Catnap So if your neighborhood had a neighborhood watch organization, and you were the local landlord, you'd evict them all for having the audacity to call the police anytime a crime happened to one of them? It would depend, If the are narcing on mala prohibita "crimes" I would evict them with the advice to start minding their own damn business.
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Talarus Luan
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10-31-2009 10:57
From: VonGklugelstein Alter it sounded harsher than it was meant.. I have an aversion to people soliciting Mass AR's If that is what it takes to get LL to do something, who's to say it is wrong? The Ad Zoo and the Arbor Project groups regularly solicited (and still do!) "AR parties" because LL is notorious for doing nothing on a single AR, but it apparently trips some kind of "alert" (either in their minds, or their reporting system) if multiple people report the same issue. I don't know WHY it is, but it seems to be the case. From: someone If there is a legitimate problem that affects somebody directly they should take it upon themselfes to decide which is the best way to handle a problem.. Most of the time (especially nowadays), the AR parties are requested by the person most directly impacted, so that's a non-issue. From: someone not everything needs to be AR'd .. sometimes a simple IM works to fix stuff. Not in the case of adfarming and microparcel extortion. All IMs get you is abuse, even when presented in the most polite way possible to the offender. That's why their motives have always been beyond clear. If they were reasonable, understanding people who were willing to work with you, it would never have become an issue. However, since it was PRECISELY their intent to harass you into buying their overpriced garbage in the first place, you can almost never expect a reasonable response to your requests. Hence, the resort to ARs, and to "AR parties", because that's the way under which the BROKEN Linden Lab "system" works best.
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Pussycat Catnap
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10-31-2009 13:56
Yes. Some IMs get a response.
But often that response is a larger ad, or a mega build with a single linked prim 10m out from itself as the root, and the rest of the build right smack inside your land.
Or what I was seeing in my sim recently...
16x32x256 megaprims on a plot with a jacked up price. IM, and the price goes up, or the prim is set to glow, or rotate, or something...
Rules are not made to be broken, they're made to give a community a sense of stability and a social norm.
Don't like the rules, don't grief those who follow them, petition for a rules change or find a new community to exist in.
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Pussycat Catnap
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10-31-2009 14:12
From: Talarus Luan If that is what it takes to get LL to do something, who's to say it is wrong? The Ad Zoo and the Arbor Project groups regularly solicited (and still do!) "AR parties" because LL is notorious for doing nothing on a single AR, but it apparently trips some kind of "alert" (either in their minds, or their reporting system) if multiple people report the same issue. I don't know WHY it is, but it seems to be the case. 1. Understaffing. If you don't have enough people to respond to everything you prioritize what to respond to - and responding to things that seem to concern a lot of people makes more sense than something that concerns only 1. 2. Greater chance of being a legitimate issue. A person can AR anything, but getting 10 other people to agree with you that its worth ARing is not as easy - so if they do, its more likely to be a real issue. When that AR comes from a group of people all associated with a group that is known to have a history of ARing -legitimate- issues, then it gains even more weight. While one idiot might join such a group to make fake ARs and try to get credibility, a whole stack of people from such a group all agreeing on an issue is less likely to be falsified - especially if, as noted above, the group has a history of using ARs properly.
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VonGklugelstein Alter
Bedah Profeshinal Tekstur
Join date: 22 Dec 2007
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10-31-2009 22:07
From: Pussycat Catnap So if your neighborhood had a neighborhood watch organization, and you were the local landlord, you'd evict them all for having the audacity to call the police anytime a crime happened to one of them? When they call the police .. the police comes and brings the Fire Department and they bring the EMT's and then the building inspector shows up too and asks stupid questions.. its a mess. Not sure where you live but if you are in the US.. try this: Accidentally Dial 91 and then hang up.... and watch for a show! and what you are referring to as a crime is far from anything to even think about.. I know I never lost any sleep when a neighbor used them things to try to get me to buy his cartoon land.
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Pussycat Catnap
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10-31-2009 23:47
Shrug.
I've had swat agent run through and under my house.
Frankly, I was glad they were there, given who they were chasing.
I don't live in the land of anti-government conspiracies, so you can't scare me by saying "OMG the -BUILDING INSPECTOR-'s gonna get you!"
... really ...
The analogy though... is that an AR is our tool to get the governing authority's attention to misconduct within SL.
If somebody is doing something wrong, it benefits the community to get their conduct corrected or their presence removed.
If you AR them, and they are indeed behaving wrongfully, there's no harm to any legitimate actor if responding Linden takes action.
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Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
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11-01-2009 10:03
From: Pussycat Catnap 1. Understaffing. If you don't have enough people to respond to everything you prioritize what to respond to - and responding to things that seem to concern a lot of people makes more sense than something that concerns only 1.
2. Greater chance of being a legitimate issue. A person can AR anything, but getting 10 other people to agree with you that its worth ARing is not as easy - so if they do, its more likely to be a real issue. While those are good potential reasons, I still don't know if they are the real problem behind the way their AR system works. For all I know, their AR system is buggy and loses/misfiles tickets. It certainly seems to be the case at times when I AR something by myself, and someone else ARs another instance somewhere completely different by himself, he gets a timely response, and I get ignored until I AR it couple more times some weeks later. Jack has continually given all manner of excuses why their system is "broken", but has alluded to several rounds of hiring over the last year. Still, the response problems persist. At this point, I don't think it is a staffing issue, but a training, organization, and management issue. From: someone When that AR comes from a group of people all associated with a group that is known to have a history of ARing -legitimate- issues, then it gains even more weight. While one idiot might join such a group to make fake ARs and try to get credibility, a whole stack of people from such a group all agreeing on an issue is less likely to be falsified - especially if, as noted above, the group has a history of using ARs properly. While that may be the way a --sensible-- customer service organization operates, I've seen little to no evidence that it is the case with LL. Even the Arbor Project's "AR parties" sometimes still get ignored and have to be repeated before action is seen, to this day.
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TundraFire Nightfire
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11-01-2009 11:08
From: Mickey Vandeverre Setting my cousin's redneck trailer near the property line always cured that. Especially if my cousin lived in it, with his other cousins.  My redneck mansion is better than your redneck trailer!
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Mickey Vandeverre
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11-01-2009 11:36
From: TundraFire Nightfire  My redneck mansion is better than your redneck trailer! LOL - that is awesome - do it! take a visit to Crazy Jake's Ass Kickin' Discount Trailers
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