SIM OWNERS ATTITUDE: How do I treat visitors?
|
|
Frankie Nixdorf
Sales Manager
Join date: 27 Dec 2007
Posts: 54
|
03-12-2008 02:59
Hi SL’ers  Yesterday I visited sims since my rental group wants to expand. Apparently I am not allowed to  I landed in a welcome area. I looked around. I couldn’t walk out for a reason, because there was an invisible wall around the place. I tried to get out, because I was interested in the sim, not knowing that the area outside is a NO GO area. You don’t expect that when you land there. Eventually I “escaped” the welcome area. Boy what a hilarious moment was that. A cloud came after me and shoot me to heaven…….ok 8 life’s left. I imed the lady that owns the place (not a lady anymore after our chat lol) and joked about it. Instead of that I received the following comments. It’s part of a chat but I don’t want to violate rules. [1:15] thats omnly visitors who prim out of the sales area or people who try to land pach poach* the walls that keep you there woudl be a good sign..and poachers are not welcomed I said to her that it is not clear and people do like to look around. There are other ways to tell visitors not to enter an area. You expect a friendly welcome area. I check again………no it’s not Alcatraz lol. [1:21] your not a visitor your a competitor comign onto my sals center [1:21] and you arent welcomed regaurdless Thank you very much……..I am not allowed to expand lol. SL is world with full of suprises. [1:21] Frankie Nixdorf: I am not a competitor [1:21] Frankie Nixdorf: I buy land for rentals [1:22] Frankie Nixdorf: I have nothing to hide [1:23] Frankie Nixdorf: Well thanks for your friendly comments I give her a chance to escape. I am still mellow but then….. [1:24] you are banned....and I dont want to sell you land...I have 300 residents to attentd to you have a lovely evening A lovely evening? Maybe she isn’t that bad lol…..Shot once and banned. [1:26] you came into my sales center with for rent advertisements..you primmed out of the sales center and then were upset my security got you....that is your own issue I don’t believe that this person ever worked with customers in RL. It’s my issue now. Security? Nah you are kidding. Shot dead..lol. C’mon security…… [1:27] i deal with an average of 30 land poachers per day I do not have time to waste arguing i have 35 sims to run ATTITUDE! And she is proud of it… [1:27] when you runnign a business in SL on the scale I am then you will understand I have 60k USD invested and add an additional 2-5k per week to that...i deal with people who like liek threats bluntly IMAO ok ok, you think this was it? Lol no. [1:30] 9 times out of 10 the peopel who enter my sism with for rent are IMing potential customers tryign to take them I am a thief now. [1:30] 9 times out of 10 the peopel who enter my sism with for rent are IMing potential customers tryign to take them [1:30] Frankie Nixdorf: I wasn't rude to you neither [1:30] unfortunately the innocent 10% can be banned [1:31] Frankie Nixdorf: Are you saying that I im your customers? [1:32] no I am saying that you have the standard profile of some one who does [1:32] i do nto knwo if you did or not [1:32] i do nto knwo if you did or not (?????) Exactly......but no she still doesn't get it. This “lady” runs a classified. High in ranks. Not difficult to find out who this person is, im me if you need more info. She invested 60K....boy good luck Thought gambling was forbidden I have a question to sim owners. Is this the current state of SL? Is this the way how visitors are welcomed? Can I search for land without being banned or shot? Have a nice day |
|
Broccoli Curry
I am my alt's alt's alt.
Join date: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
03-12-2008 03:06
What can you do about her attitude?
Absolutely nothing.
If she wants to ban 'competitors' from her land, then that's her right. It might suck, it might be bad business practice - but she can do it within the rules.
What would I do if I were you?
Get an alt, go back, and wander freely without a problem. Roleplay a noob looking to rent land if necessary.
It's a shame, I would agree, that people are so territorial in SL - but when money is involved, and presumably some lowlife are going round trying to get people to move and go to different rental places, people do tend to get somewhat defensive, and often too much so.
It's part of the reason I don't do anything in SL that I can't afford to lose the money totally on - then it removes so much of the stress. In a way it is a bit like gambling I suppose. I was never swayed by the 'come and make money' attitude that is used to sell SL so much, evidently to its detriment.
_____________________
~ This space has been abandoned as I can no longer afford it.
|
|
Caroline Ra
Carpe Iugulum
Join date: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 400
|
03-12-2008 03:07
From: Frankie Nixdorf Hi SL’ers Yesterday I visited sims since my rental group wants to expand. Apparently I am not allowed to I landed in a welcome area. I looked around. I couldn’t walk out for a reason, because there was an invisible wall around the place. I tried to get out, because I was interested in the sim, not knowing that the area outside is a NO GO area. You don’t expect that when you land there. Eventually I “escaped” the welcome area. Boy what a hilarious moment was that. A cloud came after me and shoot me to heaven…….ok 8 life’s left. I imed the lady that owns the place (not a lady anymore after our chat lol) and joked about it. Instead of that I received the following comments. It’s part of a chat but I don’t want to violate rules. [1:15] thats omnly visitors who prim out of the sales area or people who try to land pach poach* the walls that keep you there woudl be a good sign..and poachers are not welcomed I said to her that it is not clear and people do like to look around. There are other ways to tell visitors not to enter an area. You expect a friendly welcome area. I check again………no it’s not Alcatraz lol. [1:21] your not a visitor your a competitor comign onto my sals center [1:21] and you arent welcomed regaurdless Thank you very much……..I am not allowed to expand lol. SL is world with full of suprises. [1:21] Frankie Nixdorf: I am not a competitor [1:21] Frankie Nixdorf: I buy land for rentals [1:22] Frankie Nixdorf: I have nothing to hide [1:23] Frankie Nixdorf: Well thanks for your friendly comments I give her a chance to escape. I am still mellow but then….. [1:24] you are banned....and I dont want to sell you land...I have 300 residents to attentd to you have a lovely evening A lovely evening? Maybe she isn’t that bad lol…..Shot once and banned. [1:26] you came into my sales center with for rent advertisements..you primmed out of the sales center and then were upset my security got you....that is your own issue I don’t believe that this person ever worked with customers in RL. It’s my issue now. Security? Nah you are kidding. Shot dead..lol. C’mon security…… [1:27] i deal with an average of 30 land poachers per day I do not have time to waste arguing i have 35 sims to run ATTITUDE! And she is proud of it… [1:27] when you runnign a business in SL on the scale I am then you will understand I have 60k USD invested and add an additional 2-5k per week to that...i deal with people who like liek threats bluntly IMAO ok ok, you think this was it? Lol no. [1:30] Alecia Noel: 9 times out of 10 the peopel who enter my sism with for rent are IMing potential customers tryign to take them I am a thief now. [1:30] 9 times out of 10 the peopel who enter my sism with for rent are IMing potential customers tryign to take them [1:30] Frankie Nixdorf: I wasn't rude to you neither [1:30] unfortunately the innocent 10% can be banned [1:31] Frankie Nixdorf: Are you saying that I im your customers? [1:32] no I am saying that you have the standard profile of some one who does [1:32] i do nto knwo if you did or not [1:32] i do nto knwo if you did or not (?????) Exactly......but no she still doesn't get it. This “lady” runs a classified. High in ranks. Not difficult to find out who this person is, im me if you need more info. She invested 60K....boy good luck Thought gambling was forbidden I have a question to sim owners. Is this the current state of SL? Is this the way how visitors are welcomed? Can I search for land without being banned or shot? Have a nice day Get an alt if you really want to see her estates. I can partially understand where she is coming from as land seems to be as cut throat and ruthless a business as ever and some estate managers/owners DO go poaching.
_____________________
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
|
|
Puppet Shepherd
New Year, New Tricks
Join date: 14 Feb 2007
Posts: 725
|
03-12-2008 04:40
Why would someone do business with an estate owner who types like a fourth grader?
Sounds like a nasty business to be in, with such paranoid people.
_____________________
Come see my new 1-prim flowers, only $10 each! Lots of other neat stuff to find @ Puppet Art,
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lilypad/200.092/210.338
|
|
Taylor Meness
Registered User
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 144
|
03-12-2008 04:54
Do you realise you haven't completely deleted her name? It is there down the bottom, and I'm sure you know of the naming names, yada yada. Just letting you know . |
|
Mjolnir Uriza
Hammer of the Gods
Join date: 14 Sep 2007
Posts: 504
|
03-12-2008 05:02
there are a lot of people in the real estate market that really have no bussiness being there and like you have wondered i theyhave ever had a sales postion in rl. i have had several land brokers pm me back from an offer and tell me they wer insulted by my offer even when it as above market but then i don't see there signs about much any more
|
|
Rene Erlanger
Scuderia Shapes & Skins G
Join date: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 2,008
|
03-12-2008 05:07
From: Taylor Meness Do you realise you haven't completely deleted her name? It is there down the bottom, and I'm sure you know of the naming names, yada yada. Just letting you know . lol- i visited that place...and could not get out of the sales centre, invisible walls allround. I could not even TP to neighbouring attached SIMs' so that i could fly back. Strange way to do business.....i would have thought show casing the beauty of your sims would be the best way of marketing them as opposed to suffering from paranoia. |
|
Isabeau Imako
P'tite Poulette
Join date: 13 Sep 2007
Posts: 2,335
|
03-12-2008 06:03
There's always two sides to a story. I don't know either people in question, but if the OP insists on leaving the name in, I'm thinking he's also someone I wouldn't deal with.
_____________________
From: Macphisto Angelus Just remember what my dear Grammy always says: "F**k 'em!"
|
|
Sae Luan
Hardcore 4the Headstrong
Join date: 6 Feb 2006
Posts: 841
|
03-12-2008 06:17
That welcome idea of hers is stupid. If I teleported into that sim for ANY reason and got stuck in the landing area, I'd immediately leave. I don't sit around wasting my time trying to get lose of ridiculous "security" measures. There's soo many places to buy/rent land from, I think she's digging her own grave so to speak...If I was looking for land, I definately wouldn't buy or rent from someone who causes everyone to get stuck in the landing point.
_____________________
Rave Nation Owner
saeluan.blogspot.com
I accept most custom work. IM in world for details.
-
|
|
Rene Erlanger
Scuderia Shapes & Skins G
Join date: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 2,008
|
03-12-2008 06:19
From: Sae Luan That welcome idea of hers is stupid. If I teleported into that sim for ANY reason and got stuck in the landing area, I'd immediately leave. I don't sit around wasting my time trying to get lose of ridiculous "security" measures. There's soo many places to buy/rent land from, I think she's digging her own grave so to speak...If I was looking for land, I definately wouldn't buy or rent from someone who causes everyone to get stuck in the landing point. Agreed! I found it a frustrating experience. |
|
Frankie Nixdorf
Sales Manager
Join date: 27 Dec 2007
Posts: 54
|
03-12-2008 06:22
From: Taylor Meness Do you realise you haven't completely deleted her name? It is there down the bottom, and I'm sure you know of the naming names, yada yada. Just letting you know . Thankyou Taylor for letting me know. I correct the fault. I overlooked it. My apology |
|
Wulfric Chevalier
Give me a Fish!!!!
Join date: 22 Dec 2006
Posts: 947
|
03-12-2008 06:22
So how does visiting another landlord's private island help you expand your business? You aren't going to be able to buy the land, you aren't going to rent it, so what do you learn by visiting? It looked to me like yet another identikit tropical island, and since you are apparently offering awesome houses on the best SL sims already, I can't see anyway a visit to her land would help you to expand, . Unless of course you were planning on touting for new tenants?
The last sentence of your post makes it look like you really were looking for land - on a private island? where you'd have to pay rent to the owner? so the only way you could be profitable would be to charge more for your parcel than the identical one next door. Hard to see how you would ever rent it out.
Seemed pretty clear to me that one of the things she offers her tenants is that there will be no casual visitors, since presumably only members of one of her land groups can even get into the sims. Judging by the number of people who put up banlines, offering that privacy is probably a pretty good selling point. It would turn me right off if I was looking for land, but then I wouldn't be caught dead living on a tropical island anyway.
And btw, the last ad in your profile is blatantly misleading. 16000sq m is not a sim, not even a quarter of one actually.
|
|
Jethro Stubbs
Mainlander
Join date: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 240
|
03-12-2008 06:31
Last night I chatted up a potential customer and told her that the vendor boards don't really do the places justice and that she should feel free to explore around the area.
Today she's a tenant.
|
|
Broccoli Curry
I am my alt's alt's alt.
Join date: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
03-12-2008 06:33
From: Wulfric Chevalier So how does visiting another landlord's private island help you expand your business? You aren't going to be able to buy the land, you aren't going to rent it, so what do you learn by visiting? Nothing wrong with checking out the competition, and making sure what you are offering is of better quality for a lesser price. That's business. I would tend to agree with you that the overabundance of cookie cutter tropical islands is rather tedious, but they are a convenient way of getting maximum income out of a region - which is a shame really, because I'm sure that for sacrificing maybe one or two plots and adding in something of value like a marina, park, music venue etc, would make an area much more attractive overall - and possibly allow you to increase the prices slightly to compensate.
_____________________
~ This space has been abandoned as I can no longer afford it.
|
|
Frankie Nixdorf
Sales Manager
Join date: 27 Dec 2007
Posts: 54
|
03-12-2008 06:33
From: Isabeau Imako There's always two sides to a story. I don't know either people in question, but if the OP insists on leaving the name in, I'm thinking he's also someone I wouldn't deal with. My mistake Isabeau. I corrected it. As you said yourself, there are two sides to a story. I didn't saw it and apologized for it. Two sides remember |
|
Stephen Zenith
Registered User
Join date: 15 May 2006
Posts: 1,029
|
03-12-2008 06:34
I had a tenant create her own rental sims that bore a striking resemblance to the one of mine she was living in, even the covenant has several sections that are pretty similar to mine. I take it as a complement, even though her better marketing skills have seen her sims fill better than mine When she told me she was moving out while we were stood in my sim, I said I'd have a look at hers - she said "Don't bother, you're already in them!" The moral of the story? Not all sim owners are quite that paranoid. |
|
Frankie Nixdorf
Sales Manager
Join date: 27 Dec 2007
Posts: 54
|
03-12-2008 07:12
From: Wulfric Chevalier So how does visiting another landlord's private island help you expand your business? You aren't going to be able to buy the land, you aren't going to rent it, so what do you learn by visiting? It looked to me like yet another identikit tropical island, and since you are apparently offering awesome houses on the best SL sims already, I can't see anyway a visit to her land would help you to expand, . Unless of course you were planning on touting for new tenants?
The last sentence of your post makes it look like you really were looking for land - on a private island? where you'd have to pay rent to the owner? so the only way you could be profitable would be to charge more for your parcel than the identical one next door. Hard to see how you would ever rent it out.
Seemed pretty clear to me that one of the things she offers her tenants is that there will be no casual visitors, since presumably only members of one of her land groups can even get into the sims. Judging by the number of people who put up banlines, offering that privacy is probably a pretty good selling point. It would turn me right off if I was looking for land, but then I wouldn't be caught dead living on a tropical island anyway.
And btw, the last ad in your profile is blatantly misleading. 16000sq m is not a sim, not even a quarter of one actually. You are discussing something that is not relevant. There are tons of rentals around also on private islands. People even lease sims for $400 a month and put rentals on it. I don't know their financial agreements, I can't judge about that. Probably you can. I am looking for land yes. Don't we all? Is that a crime? My home is also on a private island. Is that sim owner questioning me, because the rentals are located elsehwere? Her place is sold out, because she knows how to treat her residents. And if you don't want someone on your sim, than say it kindly. There no reason to insult. Just a few words where you explain your reason not to offer it. Is that so hard? Like I said this is off topic. I didn't had any chance for a normal conversation |
|
Wulfric Chevalier
Give me a Fish!!!!
Join date: 22 Dec 2006
Posts: 947
|
03-12-2008 07:18
From: Frankie Nixdorf You are discussing something that is not relevant. There are tons of rentals around also on private islands. People even lease sims for $400 a month and put rentals on it. I don't know their financial agreements, I can't judge about that. Probably you can. I am looking for land yes. Don't we all? Is that a crime? My home is also on a private island. Is that sim owner questioning me, because the rentals are located elsehwere? Her place is sold out, because she knows how to treat her residents. And if you don't want someone on your sim, than say it kindly. There no reason to insult. Just a few words where you explain your reason not to offer it. Is that so hard? Like I said this is off topic. I didn't had any chance for a normal conversation Not sure you are in a position to query her attitude when you had circumvented her security and were nothing more than a trespasser. She puts up a wall to stop people getting on her land, you get past it, and then are offended when she's not happy? You were trespassing somewhere you knew she didn't want you to be. Anything she handed out to you was well deserved. |
|
Frankie Nixdorf
Sales Manager
Join date: 27 Dec 2007
Posts: 54
|
03-12-2008 07:39
From: Wulfric Chevalier Not sure you are in a poition to query her attitude when you had circumvented her security and were nothing more than a trespasser. She puts up a wall to stop people getting on her land, you get past it, and then are offended when she's not happy?
You were trespassing somewhere you knew she didn't want you to be. Anything she handed out to you was well deserved. I wasn't aware of it. Being shot in a welcome area is far from normal. At least you can place signs and do something about the invisible walls. As sim owner you have a public role. You want to make money right? It's about first impressions. I got mine for sure. There are other methods to use. A security system or whatever. Shooting is something for sandboxes or certain themed sims in my opinion |
|
Wulfric Chevalier
Give me a Fish!!!!
Join date: 22 Dec 2006
Posts: 947
|
03-12-2008 08:00
From: Frankie Nixdorf I wasn't aware of it. Being shot in a welcome area is far from normal. At least you can place signs and do something about the invisible walls. As sim owner you have a public role. You want to make money right? It's about first impressions. I got mine for sure. There are other methods to use. A security system or whatever. Shooting is something for sandboxes or certain themed sims in my opinion You weren't aware of it? You thought the invisible wall was an accident? Actually this is SL, so that wouldn't be an unreasonable conclusion , although it seemed pretty clear to me when I went there that it was meant to keep people out. And if I had been interested in renting there, I would have done what the huge great sign, and the blue pop-up told me to do and got their notecard on available land. I agree it seems a strange way of doing business, but it can't be putting everyone off seeing as they have several sims. But then I don't understand how most rental landlords get tenants, seeing as how their land is either deeply unattractive, already has a house on it or has to be paid for upfront. Any one of those would ensure that I would not ever rent from them, but many others clearly feel different. |
|
Faithless Babii
Iam F.A.B
Join date: 5 Feb 2007
Posts: 1,079
|
03-12-2008 08:56
From: Broccoli Curry Nothing wrong with checking out the competition, and making sure what you are offering is of better quality for a lesser price. That's business.
I would tend to agree with you that the overabundance of cookie cutter tropical islands is rather tedious, but they are a convenient way of getting maximum income out of a region - which is a shame really, because I'm sure that for sacrificing maybe one or two plots and adding in something of value like a marina, park, music venue etc, would make an area much more attractive overall - and possibly allow you to increase the prices slightly to compensate. actually...i tried that...and no one was remotely interested. I tried several variations...seasonal ones...play ones...naughty ones...over a period of a year. Myabe i make my rental homes TOO nice and they just wanna stay in them. Kinda itches me a bit after i bought all the rezzable toys..and they just sit there day after day gathering dust lol we have an abundance of water, guess whut? no one uses it...well me & my partner do...never seen a soul use so much as a flipper...we got it all..paddle boats, tubes, rafts, sailboards...nada, zilch...they stay on their plots, in their own bit of beach...we have communnial areas...dance floor with all the latest dances, bar...beah games...alwayssss empty! Dont get mer wrong...im NOT complaining, we are experiencing a big increase in residents (fingers crossed it continues!!) but they dont seem very interested in the facilities, i think they DO help initially sell the places...but rarely get used.
_____________________
I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?
|
|
Kalderi Tomsen
Nomad Extraordinaire!
Join date: 10 May 2007
Posts: 888
|
03-12-2008 09:07
I had a similar, but not so nasty experience:
Friend of mine was looking for some rental land. She found something she thought might be suitable and wanted me to come along to help her negotiate and "ask the right questions", because I was more experienced in SL than she was, and she didn't want to get ripped off.
She TPs me to the welcome center, at which point an automatic message bans and ejects me, with no advanced warning.
At the time my friend was in touch with one of their sales managers and told her what had happened. I was told to try again, but was banned, so couldn't. The sales manager looked at my profile and said that one of the security orbs must have banned me because I was a competitor.
I then went into IM with her and asked her exactly how I was competing with her business? I was trying to BRING her business! She said that their security systems look for several keywords in the various profile pages, to find competitors. The one that triggered it for me was the word "Estates", which is in the name of the company I work for.
I explained to her that we don't sell land, but buildings and houses, and that we had no desire to compete with her. I gave her the website of our business and an LM that she could check out to see that what I said was the case.
She told me that there was nothing she could do about it - the security systems said that I was a competitor. I was welcome to visit the land she had for sale, but not their welcome center.
I asked whether she could modify the system so that it didn't exclude me, but she said she wasn't sure which one it was - they had so many.
So... upshot was that I wasn't very 'welcome' in their 'welcome center' and it left such a bad taste in my friend's mouth that she just decided that she didn't want to do business with the company.
Hey, it's their property, and they decide what they want to do with it... and I decide whether I want to spend money with them or not, or recommend it to my friends or not....
Is it common practice to find out who your competitors are and autoban them from your business?
_____________________
Kalderi, General Manager, Hosoi Ichiba and Hosoi Design
- - -
Hosoi Ichiba - High Quality Classically-styled Asian buildings, furniture and home decorations in an old-fashioned Japanese market garden on Japan Kanto. http://hosoi-ichiba.blogspot.com/
Hosoi Design - High Quality prefabs and furnishings, plus commercial buildings.
|
|
Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 1,873
|
03-12-2008 10:03
From: Frankie Nixdorf Hi SL’ers Yesterday I visited sims since my rental group wants to expand. Apparently I am not allowed to I landed in a welcome area. I looked around. I couldn’t walk out for a reason, because there was an invisible wall around the place. I tried to get out, because I was interested in the sim, not knowing that the area outside is a NO GO area. You don’t expect that when you land there. Eventually I “escaped” the welcome area. Boy what a hilarious moment was that. A cloud came after me and shoot me to heaven…….ok 8 life’s left. So when you landed in the welcome area and found out you weren't allowed to go elsewhere on the sim, why didn't you just leave? I'm pretty sure that an invisible wall should serve as a clue that the land owner doesn't want you to go past it. Amazingly, you didn't get the hint, and took it upon yourself to disregard the owner's wishes. And you're truly surprised that there was some kind of security system in place? There's a lesson here, but you seem to be oblivious to it. Certainly you have a "right" to attempt to expand your rental business, but that right does not trump the rights of landowners to decide where you may and may not go on their property. |
|
Oryx Tempel
Registered User
Join date: 8 Nov 2006
Posts: 7,663
|
03-12-2008 10:06
What does "primmed out of the area" mean?
|
|
Lexxi Gynoid
#'s 86000, 97800
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,732
|
03-12-2008 10:12
More than once I've driven on Linden Roads. I'll repeat that Linden Roads, as in roads built on land owned by Linden Lab. More than once I've driven into invisible barriers. Slam. Crash. Can't move forward, can't move back. And no, I'm not talking about a sim crossing (I know what a sim crossing problem looks like).
Landing somewhere and finding that you can't seem to leave? That there seems to be an "invisible barrier"? Oh. Of course. Obviously that was left there by the land owner and obviously I'm not allowed to continue on and look at the land itself. That they are trying to rent/sell/WTF ever. No way in h3ll that there might be just some lag issue or the like. Or some badly placed prims. Or . . whatever. It is obvious now. Thank-you. They don't want fecking rental business or people to look at their land so they put up an invisible barrier. Yes that is a much more likely reason for a problem moving in Second Life than lag or other completely unlikely issues attacking use of Second Life.
_____________________
Her Royal Highness Buttercup Meow the XXI
|