How to keep underagers out of my club?

This is completely correct. I age verified when the option was first opened up to regular residents. I did quite a bit of testing then, using my verified account and a non-verified alt, and I've posted the results in a few threads on this topic. I just retried some of that verification and I could not enter an age-restricted parcel. So the system is still totally screwed up. It is most definitely not something anyone really wants to use right now, if ever.

my actual point was wouldn't it look better on the owner if he did everything he could to keep out kids even though the system does not work?wouldn't it show in the eyes of people that he did give a damn..i'm not saying he doesn't give a damn by not using it but wouldn't it speak it out a little louder that he is taking every precaution?

and if you think parents have not made complaints already or caught kids you are mistaken..it happens all the time..all you need is the wrong kid in that club and a parent with the right amount of pull and see what happens..in america it is not what you know or what law you break but who you know and who you piss off and how much money you have and what lawyer they have..just ask O.J lol
that is the plain simple fact.

simple answer, if your paranoid dont have anything adult in nature. That is the only way to do all you can. Enacting a IDV block on your property isnt all you can do, closing it is the only solution

they don't require it yet, do they?

Since Age Verification is still a beta?

I verified both on this account and on Carli.

I tried when they first started in beta... and it didn't work. I just tested it to see if it worked better, and I'm all verified.

Funny, I don't feel any older...

I have, although I did it when they weren't asking me for details that they are not in a position to verify.

I think there's a huge difference between someone doing a physical check and someone doing an electronic check. When I went to the bank to open a new account I had to bring ID with me, in person. An twelve year old kid isn't going to pull that off.

As the system is so flawed, much more than someone obtaining fake ID, then no, I don't think it's protection at all. The only real protection you have is to not have adult content on your parcel.

I verified...with bogus info. I did it really to see if the service would accept that. The results proved me right about reliability. In NZ where I live there are no publically available databases for the required information that they wanted. Anything I typed in was just going straight into the database of a data mining company afresh - no way am I giving that info for real to anyone online.

I am not really very worried about admitting it either, I figure that if LL do anything to me about it then it will be to give me a warning and a chance to unverify or verify properly. Even if they ban me - meh, if this madness takes off in a big way and becomes the norm then I am not going to come and play in a PG sandbox anyway - so they will lose my business. Not a big deal to them perhaps, not a big deal to me either.

I haven't even tried. For one thing, I've never needed or wanted access to a place that required age verification. But more importantly, the information that they would need to have access to in order to be able to truly verify my age is *illegal* for government departments to release to them, under our (Australian) privacy legislation. So even if I give LL my driver's license number or passport info, the relevant government departments are not allowed to give LL the information they'd need to confirm my age or identity.

Given that, if I tried to age verify using LL's age verification system, either it'd fail, or the "verification" would be a lie.

(Also, I'm not in the slightest bit interested of giving ID-related information to a third party who I've heard has a history of re-using such data in other contexts. No thank you.)

Ditto on that here.
Also Aussie (but without Passport or Drivers Licence). Certainly will never send paper copies of anything identity proving to anyone which is LL's other solution.

As far as teens/ underage persons are concern, why waste your time worrying about what age someone else is. This is a stupid idea in the first place to implement this age verification. Does anyone actually believe it will stop minors from coming in? If they really want to come in they'll find a way as is done with everything else.

Exactly.

They have mine too and I've been said I wouldn't and I won't. I don't need to get into any place that requires one that badly. If anything, people who choose to add this system to their places of business will lose exactly that by doing so.

i don't think the point of it was that it would be 100% or whatever % they thought would work but to have it in there for a way to cover LL's butt..it's like saying ..ok we have guns but since we know we can't stop everyone lets just not have gun laws..
no rule works everytime or plan but it does not mean because it won't work 100% of the time to just let them have their way hehehe
might as well jut open the doors then to everyone because there is no scare factor with no rules

I'm verified. And have been for about 6 months (since it became public beta). I'm still waiting for all that spam I'm supposed to be getting in my email and snail mail from that notorious data miner. I finally quit checking creditreport.com to see if my identity has been stolen. So much for all that hype.

My argument has remained unchanged inspite of all y'all's words of wisdom on how flawed the system is. The point is simple. You have adult content on your parcel you are wide open to potential legal problems if some minor gets hold of it and the word gets out. We all know the "save the children" group is just waiting in the weeds. As flawed as the system may be, it is a tool that is available to you..........use it. It's about the only thing you can do except, as some have suggested, close your business. Seems some are more paranoid about the system than about being dragged into a legal battle.........and that amazes me, since it's more likely that you will get caught up in some nasty sexual scandal involving a minor than having your identity stolen......or even spammed in your email.

And, for the record, I don't own or run a business in SL..........adult content related or otherwise. So I don't really have to worry about that, do I? But, I do interact with avatars in SL..........and I would like to know that there is some symblance of protection for me should the interactions get hot and heavy. As it stands right now, the only "protection" I have is the flawed ID verification system. That and common sense. So I use both........my common sense, and your ID verification. Both have to be in place if you want to get naughty with me.

But what about businesses that are specifically adult oriented? Without an age verification system, even a completely lousy one, in place, how should these businesses protect themselves?

LL has washed it's hands of responsibility for user created content right there in the TOS. So, when a 12yr old buys a talking, particle cum and piss shooting penis from Xcite, who's responsible?

Do you think Stroker should make his business age-verified restricted?
How about Sensations?
Should the Midian sim be age restricted?




Me too, all of my accounts actually, all using the same real information, and yeah I aint even got as much as a free coupon outta it. But I'm an adult who knows how to check up on my credit reports too.

I have no illusion that IDV will stop minors from accessing the main grid anymore then I think a minor can't get alcohol if they really want to. But IDV does prevent my liability towards minors who use fraudulent information to obtain access to the adult material present on my land. Which is fine my me. Because I aint taking responsibility for your damn kid.

If you present fraudulent information to obtain access to the platform, that's on you, not me, regardless of your age. NO system will ever be able to eliminate fraud. But this system limits liability. And that's about as good as you're gonna get.

The option of removing all adult material from the grid...
Yeah, that's gonna do way more for the economy then simply restricting unverified accounts from adult content.

The system IS flawed, to the point of being worthless. We have situations of people trying to verify and can't. No matter what information they use. People who are verified, who can't get into restricted parcels. People who have verified under totally false identities. It's a joke. I can see a business owner wanting to be extra safe, so maybe even a flawed system is acceptable, but if a lot of your potential customers can't or won't use it, where is your business. As for me personally, I can determine who I should intract with and how far on my own.

now there seems to be two things going on in this thread:

One is how useful the verification process is .. which is debatable.

Another is using it NOW .. before even the Lindens say its ready.


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Even when the Linden's say something is *ready* that usually means *its ready, we think, um yeah, well, maybe theres some bugs*

I would think the simple fact verification is letting in some unverified people and keeping out some verified ones would be enough not to use it in a real business.

That and the verification process itself is still called a beta.


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Has this beta/unreleased status changed?

This is a very valid question. It would be even more pertinent if LL had never instituted Open Registration.

But if you are a creator of adult oriented material that could potentially be viewed as broadly objectionable, don't you have to assume at this point that at least some of your potential customers are under-aged?

Which is more important, being able to sell a bed with 120 sex animations in it to everyone interested in your product or being sure you aren't selling a bed with 120 sex animations in it to minors?

And, Colette, the latest official mandatory viewer makes Allowing Land Restrictions based on Age-verified Adult status a part of everyone's SL land toolset. No where on the knowledge base article covering the subject does it mention that this system is still in Beta.

So it gives you the buttons but it doesn't say whether you are supposed to use them or not?

I tried to verify repeatedly, it never took... then I got annoyed and fed it the local equivalent of "Jane Doe @ 123 Fake Street" and it went through .

I pointed it out to several Lindens but since the site still says I'm age verified, I guess they don't really care whether it works or not.

Well, there's a ton of buttons in SL that I'm not real sure if I should use or not.

All I know is what I've been reading on the knowledge base:

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=4799



Knowing LL, this is probably as much of an announcement as you're gonna get.

And I really don't think they care too much if it actually works or not. Like much of the world we pay them for. But I think it works for their lawyers.

Wow ..

If its actually expected for land owners to be using it now, and this is all the announcement thats going to be provided ..

Just wow ..

How the heck do they expect this system to be used any more than the payment info on file was then?

They don't care if it works.
They don't care if you know about it.
They don't care how its used.

But today, if a minor buys an Xcite penis from you and the minors parent finds out, or even if the parent sees the minor engaging in activities at your Club where there is blatant sexual imagery, Linden Lab is no longer responsible for being the person or persons allowing the minor to access that material or product.

You are.

That's all they really care about.


Edited to include; Gosh I bet the threads on Ban-Lines are gonna really start getting fun.