Unverified Accounts Are Excluded From New Search

I'm confused. You have 4 avs, and 2 of them only show the profile link when searching All on them. Is that right? 2 of them also show a link to their HTML pages. Is that right?

Only avs with a link to their HTML page count for rankings, so how many of the 4 show the html page link?

So your 2 ALT's show the Profile Link but no HTML Link. Is that correct?

just looking at New search now - not sure how to get the HTML listing, i suppose i have to Google that.

I have 4 AV's in total, 3 show up in New Seacrh with profile Links. The last one doesn't even though it has similar attributes as my other 2 alts. it also the newest of all 4.

I haven't checked for HTML links, how do i go about that? I've only been looking at New search to date

A profile link is just one line, and says, "Resident profile: <name name>"

A link to the av's html page is more than 1 line. The fist like is the av's name, and is a clickable link, and the next line or 2 contain some text from the av's profile.

When searching by name, you will get one (Profile Link), both (Profile Link and HTML Link) or none of these results. The second one is the HTML Link.


(Profile Link)
*Resident profile: Jethro Stubbs

(HTML Link)
*Jethro Stubbs
Jethro Stubbs - I own, operate, and live at the Atomic Tiki Beach Club. We
have ... us first. Resident: Jethro Stubbs. Born on: 2007-01-20. ...

And the Picks of avs with links to their html pages are counted for rankings - not the Picks of avs that only have a profile link listed.

I have three premium accounts, and all three show up with both a profile link and an html link. Two of them are group owners, the third is not an owner or an officer but does contribute tier above and beyond the free 512.

My two free bots have profile links but no html link. They both belong to my group but neither has any profile picks.

Here's the wierd part. I looked up AVs of two real-world friends, one with payment info on file (but not used) and one without. Neither of them show up at all. Not even a profile link. They are both in my group and other groups. Neither of them have picks. Neither has logged in this year (no wonder I haven't seen them).

One of my real-world web site disallows the google bot (all well-behaved bots, actually). It still shows up when you search for it, but only as a link. There's no summary. This is because the google bot has found it through links but has not indexed it (by my choice).

My other, much less popular site allows the google bot, and it's been indexed and shows up with a summary.

And a site that hasn't been found wouldn't show up at all, of course.

Apparently AVs have these same three states: not found, found but not indexed (profile link only), and indexed (profile link and html link).

There does appear to be 3 states for avs (tho I've only seen 2 myself), but not the states that you mentioned. All avs are 'found' by LL, because LL creates them, and it's LL who creates html pages for avs, or not, according to some criteria.

I have an AV that is not found via search ALL. There is no Profile Link and no HTML Link. I get nothing but the search error message that I posted elsewhere in this thread. I think that's what she meant by not found.

I didn't understand it as that, because of the reference to the Google operations, but you may be right.

Hmmh even having a tick "Show in Search" on the Profile front tab, did not generate a Html link for my 3rd Alt although he did have a Profile Link. Looking at Picks linked to a business....its mainly "Payment on File" in most instances but not all cases.

it just an indexing issue, some profiles haven't been indexed yet, payment info or no, for example broccoli curry doesn't show up in new search, but obviosly has payment info on file, and a profile which is not blocked (which can be reached by key), but doesn't show up in new search.....at all

My sisters Alt, which is unverified, and has a profile which isn't blocked, DOES show up in new search, both as html profile and internal link, possibly because she's a group owner.

various avatars with no payment info and blocked profiles also show up.

what triggers indexing? I really have no clue, possibly a certain amount of references, group ownership, adding payment info after a certain date, or the fact that a refrence crawler finally gets to them... it'd be a good question for LL's office hours, if someone knows who might be in charge or knowledgable about the indexing....

it could even be that it only scans so long for references before quitting, rather than risk a timeout, then dumps all that it found. in which case there should be some tweaks to the sytem to make it scan more efficiently especial when using a specific category search (like new search 'People')

You made me think of a friend who joined last summer I think. She hasn't logged on much, but I know she did two months ago when I visited (it had been long enough she had to download a new client)... I can't imagine she has payment info on file, but I just found she does not show up at all via the new search. "did not match anything we could find"

That would be because NPIOF accounts can't access the forums. Everyone here has a main account with payment info, so all we know about are our NPIOF alts and friends we can speculate about, but never know for sure, whether they have other accounts.

There are several NPIOF people who I suspect it's their only account, and they don't show up in search. But I can't say definitively, because I'm not them, and they can't come into the forums to tell us themselves.

EDIT: I will give you an example. My best friend IRL came into SL almost exactly a year ago and created an account, and decided it wasn't his thing and left (the account is still there, with an empty profile). This avatar, a NPIOF that's one year old, does not appear in the "All" search. I am almost certain that my friend didn't come back with another avatar later on, but can you ever be 100% sure about anything?

So, even though I updated the payment info on the website for my 3 alts, they all still show up at NPIOF's in world. I did this a couple days ago - would think it should be updated by now. What's up with that?

so many variables -ho hum.

The only thing we can safely say, is that perople with "payment on file" do show up in search. Just wondering how it effects small self funding businesses that has an owner with NPIOF.....if he/she can't be found in new search, it sure makes things tough.

It depends on how often they run the programme that creates the html pages, Puppet. Crawling the pages is every 12 hours, according to what I was told in support, but running the page creation programme may not be done as often.

I don't see that a business owner not having an html page for the av would affect the business to any significant degree. It's only one Pick link that would be missing. To be honest, I'm surprised that it's being seen as a negative thing (a curiosity, yes) because, if there isn't anything that a person can do to cause all of his/her alts to have html pages, then armies of avs for the Picks links can't be used to climb the rankings, which is exactly the way that some people like it. And, if a primary/sole av doesn't have an html page, I don't see that it's anything negative at all. Those html pages are there solely for ranking purposes.

Unless you are a rental business renting to mostly NPIOF AV's. Then it's a huge issue, as none of your customers picks will help you either!

NPIOFs are listed with html pages.

I don't know that tenants put the rental business in their Picks. I've rented accommodations out for over a year, and I'm not aware of tenants adding the business to their Picks. Some long term tenants did, after I suggested it, which was after the new search came out, but I don't think it's a normal thing to do.

Would their business be listed in New Search if they own/rent their land (paying rent or tiers from sale proceeds)

For businesses/places, it's the land that is listed, and not the business, if it's set to show in search. That's regardless of who owns the land. It doesn't make any difference whether or not the land owner, or renter, is listed in search with an html page.

ahh thats good to know- at least their business is not being penalised.

From information gleened in this thread, and from my own testing, the Profile Link is not an indexed HTML Link and it does not have the effect of the indexed HTML Links.