Unverified Accounts Are Excluded From New Search

Go to new "All" search. Select "people" and type in "Puppet". You will see four residents named Puppet listed.

Go to old "People" search. Type in "Puppet". You will see a gazillion residents named Puppet listed. Most are NPIOF.

None of my alts, all of whom are NPIOF and have "show in search" checked, appear in the "All" search either. And yes, I use them all for picks to my store.

Only three of the other "Puppets" are mine.

I'm sorry if I'm being cagey about this. I just know for a fact that stuff inside those resident's profiles is not searchable, and thus very likely not factored into Picks.

You're right- a HTML profile IS being generated for these accounts (I have confirmed it with others). However, I DO know that this information is not being indexed.

So, yes, this really does smack of an intentional behavior, if they're even generating the very files that they use to factor into search results, but they clearly aren't using them.

Think you jumped the gun, there is no evidnece that NPIOF residents are not acting as IBL's. I just did a search on my Mall, and the majority of the list of members there were NPIOF, they did not have classified adverts or created a group. It might have been the case a few days ago...but seems that LL have flicked the switch back on!

**EDIT* just tested by ALT which has NPIOF and has not created a group...his full profile is visible, but a similar ALT with similar attributes, yet a much younger birth date was not listed. Maybe it takes x days to be listed (90?)

I think you must have ran your tests on one of those days when New Search was a bit glitchy. My rankings weren't effected during that period of time, so the IBLs must have still being counted despite non-visibility of NPIOF members.

What are you talking about? My NPIOF alts are still NOT visible in the all search. They are linked to my store, and do not appear either when I type in my store name or if I search for them directly by name. Where are you searching? On the new "All" tab in world, or somewhere else?

I see you've edited your post, and I'll edit mine - the earliest alt was created on December 18.

As far as x number of days goes - I just checked a friend's NPIOF alt, who was created on Nov. 24 - more than 90 days ago - he does not appear in the "All" search either.

Looking deeper and testing more names...i'm getting a mixed bag of results.
Some NPIOF's are being registered and some are not......the only commonality is that they don't have classified adverts and haven't created a group. I'm also getting mixed readings on birth dates.....someone created July 2007 was NOT being shown, yet someone in Feb 2008 was!!

Something else it determining which NPIOF's are being shown and which are not. It's not to do with classifieds adverts nor group creation nor birth date. It's something else that we are missing......maybe that AV has to have made a purchase as that is recorded in transaction history.......something obscure like that

I'm just using new ALL search....and then checking in People search too.

Don't you just love that it's the residents that have to do the work to figure out what's causing this, cuz the Lindens won't just tell us!

It can't be transaction history - I know NPIOF's who rent stores and buy and sell things regularly, and they still don't show up. I gave money to one of my alts to buy stuff long ago and she still doesn't appear.

I just put payment info on file for my 3 alts, and my NPIOF shopkeeping friend who doesn't show up in the new search formed a group and invited me to it. I'll post back if/when any of them start appearing in search.

Can you imagine what would happen if they did make it known, AND it is something that people can do with an alt to make its Picks count for rankings? One thing that would be almost guaranteed to happen is that some people in the forum would be up in arms about how some business people are creating armies of alts to game the new search, and unfairly pushing places to the top. It would be just another 'hanging offense', and there would be threads stating that LL should do something to prevent it. So I'm surprised that people here don't like it the way it is. I can't think of any reason why the Picks of all avs should count for rankings.

Personally, I don't think it's a bug, or a fault. I think it's intentional - by design. The idea that some people would create stacks of alts for the purpose didn't escape LL before the new search was implemented, as it was written about in the blog.

It's interesting that all the possible causes that have come in this thread, have turned out not to be the cause - group creation, classified ads, birth date, etc. We didn't consider groups and classifieds in the previous thread on this topic, but we did consider things like birth dates, so it's interesting. The previous best thinking hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread, so I'll mention it. IP addresses.

2 avs per current IP address, is what I arrived at as my best guess. I say 'current' because I have some alts that were created on different IP addresses, and they also don't show, but I haven't gone through all the various bits of testing with them, so it's not conclusive. Someone in this thread mentioned that she has 3 avs that show, and I wonder if any of them use a different IP to the others - e.g. one has only been used from work, while the others are used from home.

I was just thinking this -- maybe the NPIOFs that are not registered, are alts? And the NPIOFs that are in new search, are not alts? I don't know what mechanism LL might be using to decide this, but I certainly wasn't trying to be crafty when I set up my alts - they have the same email address, they are clearly alts. LL could also use IP addresses, or whatever other means they use to detect alts...

-Atashi

OK just to add my piece to the puzzle...I have an alt that shows up in search who was created:

December, 2007
belongs to groups but does not own a group
Was created on my work pc - my main was created on my home pc
used a different email address from my main - diff home address, used work addy
has a few picks in her profile
no payment info

With my accounts, they could be using IP to tie them together, but not email because each one has a different email address. The ones that have payment info are using the same Paypal account and all of the accounts use my home address.

I think part of the problem is that we don't have a term to distinguish between the Profile Link and the HTML Link (which we should call Profile Link and HTML link).

The folllowing are the links you will find on someone who has a searchable URL (* represents the person heads):


*Resident profile: Jethro Stubbs (Profile Link)

*Jethro Stubbs (HTML Link)
Jethro Stubbs - I own, operate, and live at the Atomic Tiki Beach Club. We
have ... us first. Resident: Jethro Stubbs. Born on: 2007-01-20. ...


If the HTML Link is not available (which means the URL might not be searchable), then the search will only return this:


*Resident profile: Jethro Stubbs (Profile Link)


And lastly, some searches for valid names (Jethro Alt is not valid but the results are the same) will return this:


Your search - Jethro Alt - did not match anything we could find within Second Life.
Nothing was found in Second Life containing "Jethro Alt".

Suggestions:

* Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
* Try different keywords.
* Try more general keywords.

The discussions in both threads have only been about alts - intentionally or not. I haven't seen anyone say that someone has just one av that isn't showing in search. If you can find one of those, I'd be amazed.

I think you might be close, it's no coincidence that when the Picks Camping was introduced so were an army of ALTS created by a number of individuals in order to maximise their return. One guy believed to be Chinese had around a 100 all with Chinese 1st names.....so if 2 or 3 only count per IP address, that would make perfect sense. Maybe the 2 or 3 oldest AV's.

so much for Picksbots

I haven't known anyone who has managed to get more than 2 avs counting. That's why I wonder about the 3 that someone said they had, and if one of them uses a different IP than the others - or maybe even if it was a mistake (some people seemed to be a bit confused about what was counting in search and what wasn't earlier in the thread).

Using the new search, for my alt who was created in November, and who has no payment info on file, she shows right up.

Edit: She IS a co-owner of a group however.

Another alt, who was created even before that alt, has NPIOF, is not a co-owner of a group, does not show up.

They are both group members, have Picks in their profiles.

Just to further your research.

I have 4 a/c's in total, 2 that were created in 2006 and 2 in 2007. The 3 Alts have never formed groups or paid for classifieds. My main a/c and 2 of the Alts show up in New ALL search.....by clicking on the Profile link you get the full Profile UI. 1 Alt under similar conditions does not show up in All Search but does in People Search, it was the last to be made. (the youngest). All 4 accounts were created from same computer, 2 on one email a/c and 2 on another.

This leads me to believe, that only a max of 3 AV's per computer or IP address will show up in new Search, anything over and above won't.

I'm wonderingg about roles within a group too. My primary ALT was created to keep my groups running, so was given a high ranking role within Group.......as opposed to just joining any 0 Linden customer group.

What i might try out, is to give the unregistered alt an officer role in my main group and see if that triggers a linkage to new search.

i think we're getting close to evaluating the chosen qualifiers for a listing, it's just matter of trying all the possible permutations.

I hope it isn't on ip address - a lot of ISPs use dynamically allocated IPs - it would be pretty awful for you not to be listed on search just because the ip address allocated to you had been previously used by two other SL users!

Matthew

i think my ISP generates dynamic IP's.....so maybe its to do with Computer name, something that can tie up more than 3 ALT's being used from same computer, whatever that might be!

Do the ALT's display the Profile Link and the HTML Link, or just the Profile Link?

Does she display the HTML Link and the Profile Link or just the Profile Link?

Maybe it's random, kind of like the new friends online web page.

3 including my main have Profile Links in new Search. If you click on it, it brings up the Profile UI. The 2 alts just show profile link