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Events have to be Xrated now?

Ciaran Laval
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07-11-2009 06:37
From: Alexander Harbrough
Are you sure? That makes no sense. If the PG person did arrive at the PG flagged event on mature land and it turned out to be a mature event after all (has LL relaxed the definition of PG to something actually PG yet?), would it be AR able? Should it be?


Yes I'm sure, go inworld with the current latest viewer and test it. If the event isn't PG then it should be flagged as mature, however plenty of PG events take place on mature land, mature land vastly outnumbers PG land.
RockAndRoll Michigan
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07-11-2009 06:44
From: Ciaran Laval
On PG and Adult land you're correct, on Mature land you're wrong, mature classifieds and events can be PG and will be in most cases.


Actually I am not wrong. If you re-read my post I did not say that the technology side of things has in fact forced all of these issues. Example being the PG event on Mature land. I said "Consider that as an absolute hard-and-fast rule and it will make life easy...." In other words social engineering rather than tech limitiations. If everybody did that it'd be the "more predictable experience" that Linden Lab is so fond of spouting at every turn, and in truth the only way we will ever accomplish such a thing.

The ball is in our court now, there isn't a thing we can do to stop Linden Lab from going down this road, so I believe we should take it upon ourselves to make it work for us in spite of Linden Lab decisions, rather than merely bending over to take it up the backside without lube. Properly marking all events according to the rating of the land is, in my opinion, one of the best ways to help make this happen.
DanielRavenNest Noe
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07-11-2009 06:56
From: Pussycat Catnap

- the problem is that now, you've got to be clear about it: are you porn or are you not? No more both, and no more straddling the line.


If you are on estate land and have parcels on both sides where mature and adult regions meet, you can literally straddle the line, and advertise to both categories.

The restriction of advertising according to region rating just made the corners where all three ratings meet very enticing to businesses. Place your main area in the region which it's rating best matches, and then put small parcels with landing points and search listings on the other two.

That's legal under the new rules, and not something they thought of.
Pussycat Catnap
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07-11-2009 08:13
From: Lexie Tonic
I understand what everyone is saying. I would just like a check box to be able to list whatever event we hold on SIM rated Adult (Only option is PG and Mature)


I'm not a landowner so maybe I missed something. But, you don't have an adult tagging option? Are you on an up to date viewer?

I liked your coffee example. But then, I roast my own coffee beans (yeah, when I buy coffee, the beans are still green in color - I cook the beans first). BUT... I like the example, because if I were to, in real life, open a coffee shop / adult book store / porn shop - it wouldn't matter if I had a coffee only day, the city laws would still require me to keep the kids and teens out (there used to be a lesbian shop like this in Oakland-Berkeley - Mama Bears - wow, that was a long time ago... It was right around the city line between those two meets, so I forget which city it was actually in).



From: DanielRavenNest Noe
If you are on estate land and have parcels on both sides where mature and adult regions meet, you can literally straddle the line, and advertise to both categories.


In South lake Tahoe there's a street corner that borders the state line with Nevada. Guess what business is on the Nevada side? A giant Casino open 24/7 with huge open doors so anyone on the California side of the street can see right inside to the slot machines. :p

But that wasn't what I meant by straddling lines. :)

I just meant that there's less ability to have a blended business now. You have to be more clear about what kind of content you offer, and stick to just one of PG, Mature, or Adult - noting of course that Mature doesn't actually seem to mean anything at the moment...
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Tarina Sewell
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07-11-2009 08:52
I put my new sim on adult because well I want mindless poseball using all over it, I dont have porn or any such content.. anyhow... I ran into some major issues with allowing some of my friends gaining access... I had to drop the rating to get them in... Some people just do not want to age verify and it has nothing to do with them being a teen....It has a lot to do with matters of privacy.....

anyway...

"sigh"
Pussycat Catnap
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07-11-2009 08:56
Some people have tried to age-verify every day, several times a day, and gotten a success everytime, since the day it started, or the day they made that AV, and still cannot access parcels that are set to require age-verification.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1153

Just set the parcel to adult, but don't restrict to age-verified.
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Innula Zenovka
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07-11-2009 09:58
From: Ciaran Laval
Nope, the advert will be seen by people searching PG, it won't be seen by those who have only chosen to see mature ones.
You are right. Though since my test -- searching for PG only events -- brought this up as one of the first hits (which is certainly listed as a PG event on a Mature sim), I am not completely sure the system's working quite as it's supposed to:
From: someone
New FREE ORGY ROOM - time to get wild!! Featuring SEXDREAMZ EXTREME, Couple,Gay and Lesbian beds!!!
Arwen Gymnast
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07-11-2009 10:10
The way you post event listings does not currently allow for any events on adult sims to be sensibly listed. The event listing process has a check box to say is it an adult event if you check it against an adult sim the message retuned says cannot hold a Mature event on an PG sim. The code is therefore is only checking if a sim is mature when the mature box is checked; both adult sims and PG sims would fail this check meaning it is only possible to list events as PG on an adult sim
Ricardo Harris
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07-12-2009 19:05
From: Anti Antonelli
Peggy did you even read the post?

QUOTE]




It doesn't matter. This entire issue of adult content, Zindra, kids and everything pertaining to this has really gotten played out. It's really sickening already. Everytime you turn around it's someone asking or talking about the same exact thing. The same exact thing that has been printed and re-printed a zillion times already.

If as much air time as this has gotten already, people still don't know about it then something is very wrong........ with them.


'nuff already!
Lord Sullivan
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07-13-2009 00:30
From: Ricardo Harris

It doesn't matter. This entire issue of adult content, Zindra, kids and everything pertaining to this has really gotten played out. It's really sickening already. Everytime you turn around it's someone asking or talking about the same exact thing. The same exact thing that has been printed and re-printed a zillion times already.

If as much air time as this has gotten already, people still don't know about it then something is very wrong........ with them.

'nuff already!


LOL The reason people are asking as LL is not giving out the information to main customer base so if you think this is bad you wait until people find out after the tickets close later this month and then watch the forums erupt as people that do not read forums or the blogs find out about the adult changes, such as the one below. If someone asks in the forums why not point them to the www.slapt.me wiki and be helpful to them, then they may not need to ask again ;)

From: someone
Example...

I took my alt to a free sex location...38 people on the SIM, not ONE had any idea what i was talking about, including the owner... who informed me that His mature land was fine for what he did, and he would NOT be moving... and *quote* I don't know where you got your info, but that was a rumor.. it will never happen *end-quote*. I sent him to the slaptme wiki... and didn't hear back. I do not think The higher ups in SL have ANY clue whats coming when it goes *global* to everyone.

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Lias Leandros
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07-13-2009 00:54
I gave most of my PG land away to a noob once I got the Zindra transfer land (play it forward, people).
But I kept 512M of it so I could develop a Adult Continent Infohub on a PG Mainland parcel. I put up one of those free Zindra builds there. My Land Charter reads:

From: Mainland Adult Content Infohub
The new rules on Adult content, how do I Adult Verify? How do I filter search?, Where is the Adult Continent?And all of the other questions you were afraid to ask. Come to the PG Adult Continent Infohub and get the answers to your questions.


I am adding links to the blog and wiki and some landmarks to Zindra locations. I made it 512M so I could also publish events that would be viewable by the PG people and they would end up in the PG hub - Then they are given to the option to Adult Verify and travel onto Zindra. I believe as long as everything in this Zindra Hub on PG Land is tame - then I will nto get into too much trouble.

Check it out and make suggestions on content http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nepessing/51/53/107
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Smith Peel
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07-13-2009 01:27
I am all for enforced X rated events on Zindra. I should not have to be accidentally subjected to offensive PG content.

BTW, you can make any PG event X rated (and more fun) by appending the word "NUDE" or prefixing "HORNY."

You're welcome :D
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07-13-2009 02:43
From: Peggy Paperdoll
All the whinning and crying I've been reading for the last couple months is really getting old.
Nuh-uh. I don't have an adult business or adult content on any of my land but I still agree with the people who do that Linden Labs is giving them the royal shaft, and it's entirely reasonable for them to complain when they discover a new angle to the shaft.
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You need to keep that in mind..........only people who try to make SL something it is not for the vast majority of the "players" will sympathize with you.
What, precisely, are you accusing me of here?
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07-13-2009 02:48
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
If you are on estate land and have parcels on both sides where mature and adult regions meet, you can literally straddle the line, and advertise to both categories.

The restriction of advertising according to region rating just made the corners where all three ratings meet very enticing to businesses. Place your main area in the region which it's rating best matches, and then put small parcels with landing points and search listings on the other two.

That's legal under the new rules, and not something they thought of.
They were warned about it months ago, when they decided to allow adult and mature regions next to each other in estates, but you can bet they're going to act all surprised and outraged when it happens.
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Lexie Tonic
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07-13-2009 02:53
From: Pussycat Catnap
I'm not a landowner so maybe I missed something. But, you don't have an adult tagging option? Are you on an up to date viewer?

I liked your coffee example. But then, I roast my own coffee beans (yeah, when I buy coffee, the beans are still green in color - I cook the beans first). BUT... I like the example, because if I were to, in real life, open a coffee shop / adult book store / porn shop - it wouldn't matter if I had a coffee only day, the city laws would still require me to keep the kids and teens out (there used to be a lesbian shop like this in Oakland-Berkeley - Mama Bears - wow, that was a long time ago... It was right around the city line between those two meets, so I forget which city it was actually in).





Anyways this as close to correct as many are getting, We are a adult sim and have adult event's. We can not list events as Adult no matter what because there are no tagging option for Adult (The coffee was example, heck yes we would list it as adult because are a adult sim lol why some people must think everyone is trying to "pull something is old";)

Only option's now are PG or Mature posted event's no Adult. Yes latest view and once I upgraded that is when all the problem's started. So oh well another SIM bites the dust
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07-13-2009 03:51
From: Argent Stonecutter
From: Peggy Paperdoll
You need to keep that in mind..........only people who try to make SL something it is not for the vast majority of the "players" will sympathize with you.
What, precisely, are you accusing me of here?
You're being accused of the crime of Content Creation. You bastard.
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07-13-2009 04:04
From: Pussycat Catnap
That's what I was saying...

Unless you're putting out porn, you're better off not getting onto the Zindra bandwagon.

- the problem is that now, you've got to be clear about it: are you porn or are you not? No more both, and no more straddling the line. That's a good thing -and- a bad thing... Clarity is good, but there didn't even used to be a line.



I don't deal in porn but because the word bondage is considered adult I'm there.

So I really would appreciate it if you would use another, more relevant, term.

It's bad enough that the general populace appears to think this and will most likely never use search because of this misconception without others who should know better adding to it.

If I did deal in porn or if zindra was solely for porn I wouldn't mind - but it's not.
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07-13-2009 04:43
From: Pussycat Catnap
BUT... I like the example, because if I were to, in real life, open a coffee shop / adult book store / porn shop - it wouldn't matter if I had a coffee only day
If [false assumption] THEN [any statement].

What if you open a shopping center that happens to have a coffee shop and an adult book store in it?

What if you happen to have a book store that has an "erotica" section?

There is no RL analogy that works because RL simply doesn't work that way.
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07-13-2009 04:44
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Read Ceera's post.

And, yes I did read the post. I understood the post. I read the responses (so far). I understood the responses. But, you and some others, don't understand the rules. You want it YOUR way......according to YOUR rules. It ain't happeing...........get over it.


Somebody needs to.... um.... go engage in some adult content.
Try to relax.
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