Events have to be Xrated now?

Our Sim is Adult listed.........We have normal club events but do have a BDSM club on SIM.....Went to post our weekly events which are the normal club events best in latex, best furry , best in blue ect....

Per Brandon Linden I was just told we are not allowed any longer to hold any events unless Adult rated? and who is to decide what is Best In Blue (add anything in here blue)

I had to call because the error on website was you can not post a Mature event in a PG SIM ...we are Adult SIm posting Not Xrated enough? Come on this is nuts and he said according to the land team.

Is this a new thing?

Yeah, that was a part of the reasoning behind the move, to make it easier to filter search listings so that only avatars who flag themselves as adult will see stuff that is on adult land. Then again, only adult-flagged avatars can go to your events.

This is one of the reasons why reports of mature land's demise may be exaggerated…

Because someone not Adult verified seeing your event would try to get there and could not. So it makes since. If you want the general public to come to your non-adult events then your going to have to buy a 512 on an mature or PG parcel and post the event slurl to end up there. When they get there you have a notecard explain to them that they have to be adult verified to continue on to the actual event.

PS: I started a group for spamming out Adult Rated area events - look in my profile and join.

See? This is what I was screeching about two months ago.

LL has just cut you off from over half of your customer base. You can't advertise to them, and they can't get to you, even if the product or event you want to sell them is one they could use or attend.

It works the other way, too. Business owners on Mature land can no longer advertise their Adult products, or offer Adult themed events.

This is aimed at squashing Adult Content out of existence on the grid.

Hmmm so maybe I don't want to get a move to Zindra...

All the whinning and crying I've been reading for the last couple months is really getting old. Evidently you just don't understand that adult content is not what YOU define it........it's what Linden Lab defines it. Your business is based on what YOU have defined reguarding what YOU have determined to be adult, mature, pg, whatever.........and that is not what LL has determined to be such. The rules have been pretty clear from the folks that have made the rules.........but you have chosen to apply your personal spin to what they really meant. Now you cry. And since you don't own this grid, you are just out of luck.

Change your "business model" to meet what you have determined to be your customer base or move to Zindra and build that customer base all over again. No one is being singled out. LL has attempted to please as many as they can. Accept it or move on.

And this is coming from an ex-stripper........who might consider going back to that "line of work". Get real....it's a game to 90% of the people who log into Second Life. You need to keep that in mind..........only people who try to make SL something it is not for the vast majority of the "players" will sympathize with you. And that is not nearly enough to make your complaints important to Linden Lab.

"Your World, Your Imagination"..............it's imaginary. Learn that and you'll be okay.

Peggy did you even read the post?

Lexie isn't putting any spin on anything or reinterpreting the rules, simply confused as to why a rather ordinary "best dressed" contest must be an adult event just because it occurs on adult land. And got some good answers explaining why this is. Your personal angst over all this stuff isn't helping out.

If a bordello in Amsterdam wants to hold a Bingo Night, the venue is still a Bordello, and one presumes that access would be restricted to adults only.

In my town, a local adults-only venue offers movies, and also offers tavern style food and beer. SO you can drink a cold brew and munch on a burger while you watch a film. They showed the Harry Potter and Star Trek films there, but didn't relax their "No admittance under age 21" policy.

An Adult Rated sim requires an adult rating for any ads or event listings there, even if it is just a flower arranging contest. Because the sim potentially contains Adult Content, and LL doesn't want some PG-Only resident burning their eyes out because they cammed next door and looked into the BDSM club.

Read Ceera's post.

And, yes I did read the post. I understood the post. I read the responses (so far). I understood the responses. But, you and some others, don't understand the rules. You want it YOUR way......according to YOUR rules. It ain't happeing...........get over it.

LOL so now suddenly it's also me? Do share what I said here that leads you to this conclusion.

This is one consequence of the Adult policy I hadn't considered yet. One is not allowed to do "adult" things sometimes and then not be "adult" other times. If you want to be "adult" once, you must be "adult" forever.

It's simple. Classified and Event ads that lead to PG land are rated PG. Classified and Event ads that lead to Mature land are Mature. Classified and Event ads that lead to Adult land are Adult. It doesn't matter what the event is anymore, its rating must match the rating of the land it's on. Consider that as an absolute hard-and-fast rule and it will make life very easy both for advertisers and those searching, since when we search we also have to specify through checkboxes which ad ratings we wish to receive.

Also please make all your customers and friends aware that it is their responsibility to choose what maturity level ratings they wish to see in the Preferences on the new client which is about to become mandatory. Adult listings are by default disabled so nobody will find them who does not specifically choose to see them.

Amity and Anti got it correct I mean just because Adult SIM does not mean we cant have normal events and expect only Adults to come but that seem's to be the case, God forbid we want to have coffee on our SIM.........It must be label Coffee and *insert some hardocre porn here* or not allowed to do.

We choose to have a Adult SIM so we could hang out with Adult's.

That's what I was saying...

Unless you're putting out porn, you're better off not getting onto the Zindra bandwagon.

- the problem is that now, you've got to be clear about it: are you porn or are you not? No more both, and no more straddling the line. That's a good thing -and- a bad thing... Clarity is good, but there didn't even used to be a line.

You can host a coffee PG event, but you will have to advertise it under XXX, as you're an adult establishment.

An 'Adult Sim' means you're in Strip-joint land. But just like in RL, even a strip club can host a poetry night - but its still subject to the zoning laws and laws about who can enter that the city sets down for a strip club.

You do realize of course that you do not have to mark your region as adult just yet as LL have not announced the date of when this has to be done by so I would continue as you are until LL has set the date for the transition to be completed by

I understand what everyone is saying. I would just like a check box to be able to list whatever event we hold on SIM rated Adult (Only option is PG and Mature) I am not trying to skirt around any rules at all. I used as example Coffee in Adult sim as event but could not make a event due to how they set the options on posting. I mean come on Adult's drink coffee don't we? Or am I only allowed hardcore porn coffee now

If they offer Adult SIM's and Mature and PG all should have a box to check to post a event not have to skirt around it.

Your in an adult sim so it should be marked for access to that area. I can understand that pretty simply really. Just because you happen to do PG things in your adult area doesn't mean that you should be bringing people who are assuming its all PG to your Adult area. Instead how about letting people know that they are in fact coming to an adult area to partake in a coffee drinking event. Which is what you would be doing if you are marking it mature or adult. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. By marking something as PG your not really informing people of the type of area they're coming to. I frankly could care less what type of region I end up in cause I'm really not that prudish about things but... there are times where I'm looking for something specific like maybe a coffee house and I show up at a place and there are hookers, and escorts, and naked people humping by the TP. Kind of not what I was looking for when I looked up pg coffee houses. Now if it had been marked for adult then perhaps I'd be aware of the area I'm planing on venturing out to.

I can see a line of debate about how things need to be marked and marketed in SL but its really not a whole lot different. People have been getting away with marking things PG for so long its kind of sickening. Certain types of things are considered adult or mature that aren't even pertaining to sex. There are many people who advertise death, or horror type bloody things as PG to this day. Altho there are some like myself who advertise them in the proper categories inside SL as adult or mature, as we were asked to do in the definitions of what mature and adult things were considered.

It seems to me that if there is a way around advertising rules so you can get more people to see your items, or events, or places in SL people will attempt to do it. It doesn't mean its right. Not saying the OP is doing that. I just don't see where there can be any confusion really.

You continue to see tons of adverts with key words not even pertaining to areas in SL and for those arguing that they have a lot of pg things in their adult area maybe they should consider marking their items more appropriately with the rating system and sell them on appropriate sims. IE sell your pg stuff in pg areas and your adult things in adult areas. Its not LLs fault or the rest of peoples faults if you decide to do PG things in an Adult areas. They are adult areas and should be advertised as being in adult areas.

Yep if you own a brothel and want to advertise kids events there, why not I guess.

I'm not sure RL examples get us very far. In the UK, at least, it's by no means unheard-of for venues -- particularly Working men's clubs -- both to hold family events and to have strippers and stag parties on different days of the week. Nor, of course, is it unusual for a cinema to show movies with different ratings, and restrict (or not) access to the premises based on what happens to be showing that day.

And -- which is the important point in this context -- it is perfectly permissible (at least in the UK) to advertise both types of event in the local newspaper; one of the many things that's caused confusion about this is that it's OK to have a strip club on Mature land -- so long as you don't have sex balls there too -- but if you want to use the word "stripper" in your adverts, it has to be on Adult land.

But from what Lexie is saying, it sounds like the problem is that the box to flag the event as Adult just isn't available, even though the sim is Adult, with the result no events at all can be listed. Which sounds most odd.

Stupid question, Lexie, but were you using the 1.23 viewer when you tried to place the announcement?

And, as Lord Sullivan says, there's no need to flag your sim as Adult at the moment; there's no set date as yet, but Blondin Linden has been saying at his office hours that late August looks to be the likely deadline.

On PG and Adult land you're correct, on Mature land you're wrong, mature classifieds and events can be PG and will be in most cases.

Absolutely. Because my brothel can be a Sunday School classroom at the flip of a script.

We're buying into LL's malarkey here, reifying virtual "land" as if it were a hunk of earth, and we've taken their bait hook, line, and sinker. Now every user of "land" has to buy some new hosting--err, "land"--every time we get a new idea.

That's perfect for LL: they sell more land. It's great for landflippers and Estate owners, too: they sell more land.

It's fine for those for whom SL is all brothels all the time, or all Sunday School all the time.

And it totally sucks for anybody with a bit of imagination about what they might want to do with Second Life.

Though my understanding is -- and I could be mistaken -- that if you hold a PG event on a Mature sim and place a PG advert publicising this, the advert will, because of the location, only be seen by people who've chosen to see Mature adverts and will be invisible to those who have chosen only to see PG ones.

Nope, the advert will be seen by people searching PG, it won't be seen by those who have only chosen to see mature ones.

Are you sure? That makes no sense. If the PG person did arrive at the PG flagged event on mature land and it turned out to be a mature event after all (has LL relaxed the definition of PG to something actually PG yet?), would it be AR able? Should it be?