Greedy Land Neighbors - Wondering If I Should Sell?

hmmm, if you dislike banlines (a sentiment i share wholeheartedly), why put them up yourself? my neighbour, the proud owner of a 400 meters high tower full of empty appartments and and a deserted dancing, has put up banlines especially for me. but he can still visit my land freely, if he needs a break from the emptiness and boredom in his virtual home.

i mean, like, he's a hardworking business man. one of the pillars of the SL economy. those people need a break from time to time. i would not dare to stand in their way. not personally, and not with banlines.

Oh, it is one 2560 sq. meter parcel now George. I would sell it as such.

Hexx, I can only assume in your case, that you have some kind of nice, personal relationship inspite of your neighbors need to erect those ban lines. His requirement might be based on his business - to keep people out of the apartment complex, which would be understandable.

In my case, I did do the neighborly thing and introduced myself when they moved in and tried to be friendly with them. This evidently didn't work. In fact, I'm getting a strange deja vu writing this. I asked him nicely for access, promising him I'd never set foot on his property without an invite, and even telling him he was welcome to come visit me if he ever would like to, that I didn't mind visitors.

This did no good, ban lines remained in place and no further commuications were made from him to me. I still remained a good neighbor, for weeks afterwards and did not use my ban lines until just about a week or so ago when I was confronted with the aformentioned voodoo head. It wasn't like I did it out of the blue.

Sometimes, you do have to fight fire with fire. Putting my my ban line for on for him, was a minimal consequence. He's lucky I'm so nice. If I'd taken the advice of half the people here in my original post a couple of months ago, he'd have panties, penises and who knows what else, hanging from my side of the ban line

to be honest, i wouldn't qualify the relationship with my neighbour as 'nice'. and i must admit that the flying weenieburger i put near the border, on a collision course with his tower, might not have helped to better this relationship.

and since he'd rather have people in his tower of power (all this empty space can be rather depressing, not to mention the lack of income he suffers), i am certain those banlines are not meant to keep them out.

ah well. his loss. in about three months, he'll probably put the whole lot up for sale anyway. and my other neighbours are nice people. which, on the mainland, can be considered a blessing, i think.

The market is different for estate land than for mainland. Since you have a prim bonus, you are on estate land.

Business has nothing to do with "deserve" but rather it's about how much something is worth to the potential buyer & seller.

In this case, you have land that is worth more to that guy than land anywhere else, because it's contiguous with his land. He apparently wants to buy up the whole sim.

In this case, your land is likely to be worth less to a typical buyer than to the neighbor, because it's surrounded by his land. Any smart buyer will realize that he or she would be more or less at the neighbor's mercy and wouldn't be likely to pay the normal going rate for comparable land.

You have every right to want any price you choose. He has every right to accept or reject any price he chooses.

I suggest that *reasonably speaking* you should be able to get considerably more from your neighbor than this land would normally be worth on the open market. On the other hand, if you make him mad, he can do things to annoy you and you'd have little recourse.

The best way to find out land prices is to go shopping for some.

I don't think that willl be the case here. Here's why:

-He bought a ton of land there, not just one plot
-He did not build a club or a shop, so I don't think money is an issue or his goal
-It's a lovely, quiet, waterfront area

Most here today gone tomorrow avatars buy a single plot and plunk down a club or store. Then they find out you can't really cover tier that way and soon leave.

The previous is my opinion only. No lag and a quiet sim and that kind of waterfront with no eyesores is VERY rare. I'd stay and start pretending the red lines around you are a precision team of tiny happy red fairies.

FYI, if it is estate land and not mainland, the only way to get the high price I previously quoted is if your neighbor wants the plot at any cost. Resale value of estate land is lower than mainland and it takes longer to sell in most cases.

Elora,

It seems most options have been covered fairly well. But to summarize: the issue seems to be that you have 2,560sqm of land and your neighbor bought most of the land surrounding you. You would like to have him remove the "ban" lines to make your views more pleasant.

Do you see the lines because you have been "banned" from his land or because his land has access only for his group or specific avatars? If you are "banned" from his land then its doubtful he will remove the ban lines. If not. then there are sometimes chances to be added to the access list, although without responses from him it is hard to know

Since you have moved your house and put up landscaping you have minimized viewing the lines. If he is interested in buying your lot, putting up a higher than what you paid "for sale" price while you are still living there is a good option.

I would also suggest sending him a "notecard" outlining your feelings and defer offering to sell him your lot if you get no response, it may be that his IM's get capped and he never saw your subsequent messages. Be sure to label the notecard something other than "new note". If he accepts or declines it will give you a bit more insight. And yes there are numerous water/beach/ocean/lake front lots for sale all with no covenants. Finding a suitable one for your tastes is the tricky part. Good Luck!

-g

If you really enjoy living there, then stay put and let no idiot push you from a place you love. I loved the first land I bought when I entered SL...it was absolutely gorgeous.....then this guy started buying all the available plots, put up the most disgustingly awful bright red club...which nobody ever went to .........

I gave in and sold the land to someone else, which coincedently was re-purchased by him about two minutes later..... I did actually ask him why he didn't buy from me....said he was sick......yeah right!!!!

Bullying comes in many different forms.....no matter what form it has visited you in, don't let the bullies win.....

Well, things may not be as bad as I feared.

I sent my good neighbor a note, turns out he did NOT sell his land. Actually, he managed to make a deal with a current neighbor who wanted out, and bought her land, and knocked down his current home. He had turned on his ban lines in error. Boy was he embarressed! And deeply apologetic! We had a really wonderful talk this morning about the other neighbor, and other things in general, including relationships, etc. So, our friendship is cemented very nicely, and he's staying put. In fact, he pretty much begged me not to leave lol.

This made me feel very good. I'm going to stick around a while longer, that's for sure. Having him still there, and a bigger land presence helps. He suggested what Griffin just wrote, about sending the guy another note, just to try again and I'm going to give it a go. I DO love my land, the house, it gives me great enjoyment. A friend of mine was over today, he too, agrees it's a wonderful place to live and would be hard to give up.

So, for now, I'm staying put, and we'll see what the future holds for me. I'll keep everyone's advice in mind tho. All of it, was great and helpful. Thanks everyone

Have you thought about a thin wall with a nice nature texture on your side? Maybe a forrest or mountain scene?

If a neighbor boxes you in with unsightly banlines ..

You should ban him from your land,

that way he can start a thread complaining how some hold-out whose parcel is right in the MIDDLE of his property has rudely put her banlines up.