Greedy Land Neighbors - Wondering If I Should Sell?

It makes no sense. And most of the time they are offline anyway. It's the worst thing about mainland other than ad farms. And one of the main reasons I own a whole sim.

Bren, all I have to do is send my husband's family over - seriously. He's from Staten Island originally, dad was Pres of the Longshoreman's Union many years ago. 'Nuff said

BTW - welcome back!

It's funny kind off. When he first moved in I sent a nice note. He wrote back saying he "knew nothing about anything do with with all of this" and "would talk to his boyfriend who is in charge of all of it" and get back to me. Then, more ban lines went up, and then some!

They are ALWAYS there! Whenever I log on one of them is there, and for that matter, I know they are there when I'm not online, because my bestfriend pops into my home a lot when I'm not around (he view my home as an extension of his own, as I do his). He says they are always around. Like they have no life other than SL.

/me tells you to bring a bodyguard with you next time you come to my house

Please Elora make sure you let us know how things turn out for you and good luck.

I'm not as up on the current mainland pricing as I used to be when I was buying and selling. I would start at L$20 a meter for your waterfront and work my way down. Especially if you are not in a rush. Don't negotiate with the ban line bullies.

Why is it greedy to buy up available land? I woud rather see one owner than 10 different owners with 10 different eye torturing builds. The ban lines do suck though. Maybe ask him nicely to add you to his access list.

maybe it is just me, but I never seem to be bothered by banlines...

*shrug*

good luck to you though, hope it all works out

Adding to Desmond's thoughtful post -

In this case you seem to have done the right thing, which is say hello and be friendly, an overture that was not so much rebuffed as ignored. The angry voodoo god may or may not be a coincidence, but does not bode well.

If you like the property you have the option of staying put, especially since you can maneuver ro avoid being forced to contemplate his ban lines, and obviously access is not an issue. So far, he may not be friendly, but neither of you is out of line. So doing nothing is both ethical and feasible, at lest for now.

So we come to the ethics of negotiating a transaction. In general, the buyer and seller each have a price limit - you have some minimum price you would accept and he has some maximum price he will pay. If his max is above your min, you have the possibility of a transaction, and the question is where the deal is struck between those two extremes. Your objective is to get as close as possible to his max. Think of it as a game, like poker, or rock-paper-scissors, or betting on a sports event. As long as you do not use griefing tactics, which you clearly do not intend to do, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH INDUCING HIM TO PAY HIS MAXIMUM PRICE. There is nothing wrong with him inducing you to pay your minimum, either, so it's a fair game. Anything in between is an "ethical" price; whether it's a good price is another question. Let the games begin!

I've never dealt in SL land, so I'd suggest talking to people who have experience doing that for SL-specific tactics. But in general, your position is quite strong - you can be content with things as they are, and you have something he wants. : )

My guess is a good advisor would suggest putting your land for sale at a ridiculously high price, as someone suggested, and sitting back and waiting. If he wants your property, he is surely paying attention to the General Tab on your land window, and you are in an enviable position to play hard to get.

I expect a good outcome for you. : )

You Could Play a Common game, and cut your land into 16 Square meter lots, and Offer each one for sale at the price you paid for the Whole Lot, BUT if you want to Get away with it, Offer it One Bit at a time over a few weeks, That way By the time he realizes he's being Boned, You're already smoking a cigarette.

That is, If you want to see a Thread here posted by him about this greedy land griefer HE has to Deal with.

The two best options are simply Wait him Out, Or Offer him the land at a fair market value. Since, as you say the land isn't of any Real importance to you, Either would do. Wanting to own an entire Sim, and paying Good money to do it Doesn't make a person a griefer. As far as you know he hasn't used any Underhanded means to get what he has Obtained, so try NOT assuming the worst First.

Angel.

Hmmm. He and my brother may have crossed paths. *Thank You*

Just to play devil's advocate: Being the last hold-out is an enviable position only as long as the neighbor behaves himself. There are unpleasant forms of coercion beyond ban lines for which there's no valid AR response. There's something to be said for keeping things civil and fair for both parties.

Not that you don't deserve a premium price: land values *have* gone up, and you'll face the inconvenience and delay of searching for a new spot. So that's a "fair" negotiating position, whereas squeezing every drop of blood from him could backfire, leaving you with land that could be hard to sell even for the price you originally paid.

And finding a new place that doesn't have as bad or worse problems than banlines might not be as easy as it sounds. Status quo might be worth considering: there are worse things than having just one standoffish neighbor.

(Not that I really think any of this should--or could--dissuade you from selling: once the land-trading bug bites, there's no known cure.)

I personally would not pay over $L13 per m for land with banlines around it even if it is beach but if it is just him you want to sell it to, I would suggest $L20 per.

But there have been some recent posts saying that good beach land is hard to fine (not all water) so make sure you can find other land you like first. Or wait until the lindens unload the new sims in January.

Protected Water land the few true lots out there are bit hard to come by. Go looking around
and you'll see what I mean. Some advertise as protected land but it isn't
If you sell you might not be able to get something similar without moving to a Island.

Really, this is what screens are made for. You have a nice plot of land, and you shouldn't let someone grief you into selling, especially when you can just put screens up around your land and ignore them. If they start making things to penetrate your screens, or have shouting objects, that is a different story and you can feel free to AR them.

I think the other owner is the one doing it to piss you off. Give it time and they will probably move. I mean, what is going up on their land? A club? If that is the case, give it about a month to wither and die.

I had an awful neighbour who did things like erect a 400m tower, builds right to edge of his block and a huge floating club in the centre. To sweeten the deal he then offered me 20k less than i paid for my land and accused me of being a man because I knew how to do things in the game like check land for other people's objects (when he accused me of having a tree on his land). In his opinion women just couldn't be that smart.

Anyway, I continued to enjoy the land while karma caught up with him and he is no longer in the game. I now have a lovely group of BDSM ladies next door with a beautiful build and interesting conversation lol.

Personal bias: screens bug me worse than ban lines. Tried then and they made me feel claustrophobic not to mention I felt like I was on a Hollywood set.

One thing that I'm curious about. What's your neighbour using the land for?

QFT.

It's the difference between living in a convincing virtual space and a prettily decorated box.

Hi Elora, I'm a little confused here. It seems you've dealt with the banline issue by moving your house a little? You say you're not worried about this particular piece of land but have you seen something you like more?

Things move so fast in SL, nothing is permanent. You could end up moving and have a worse neighbour or you could just sit tight and this one might get bored and leave.

The fact that he or his boyfriend are actually on site I find encouraging. That they actually use the land is good. Too many people set up a plot, set up the banlines and then are rarely ever seen. What is the point of that?!?

If you have your waterfront still, wasn't this the main issue that made you select the area?
I would certainly talk to him if you are intent on leaving the area. If his desire is for your land, he's not going to want to have a new neighbour there

Have you setup banlines to keep *him* out?

You know, I'm still not quite sure. Seems like it's his own Private Idaho so far. He built his home in the middle, created a large island for himself and his boyfriend and then with all the rest of the land he bought, made smaller islands and kept a lot of open water. Some of the smaller islands (these are prim islands) have small homes on them, but, nobody else is living there, so I can only assume he'll be renting them out eventually, but, don't know to who; friends?

I've had a couple of Av's suddenly drop into my property which is unusual - I think they might be friends of his, just poking around. I can't imagine they can be just flying by, since he now owns everything in the sim pretty much, other than me. I think there might be a couple of other owners. It's a very quiet area, I never see anyone around otherwise.

/me waves to Bilbo!

I have seen some other properties I like, so I would be ok with moving. I'm not one of those poeple who settles down someplace and makes permanent roots. In RL, I've moved many times, and have always loved where I live, as I live there but easily have moved on when necessary. So, the thought of leaving, would not wreck me.

But you do bring up a good point that this person could get bored, and eventually leave. I know things move fast around here. It's insane how quick things come and go. And, it isn't like I still couldn't buy another lot someplace else and still get my 2nd home, it would just have to be a more modest one.

As for me using my banlines, only recently did I put them up only to keep him and his boyfriend out. I waited well over a month for an answer from them and when nothing came; and then I saw that horrid voodoo head staring at me, I figured I may as well use mine since they obviously weren't taking theirs down.

Since then, the voodoo head has come down (as described above) so, I am contemplating taking my ban lines off for them.

All things aside, yes, I do still like the property, the house, and the area is quiet (no Lag!). It isn't like I'm rushing to do anything. Just weighing my options, seeing how things go, looking at other properties to see what is out there, and trying to gather information so I have everything I need to make a good decision for myself - whether I stay or not.

I'm thinking maybe put the land up for sale for 2x what you paid, but just continue living there with no expectations. If it sells GREAT! If it doesn't? ehh.

But maybe you should combine the lots and sell it as one parcel. Can you imagine if they bought just one of the smaller lots? Talk about squeezing you out!

I currently have a very nice 5440 oceanfront corner lot with 1.10 prim bonus for sale for less than I paid for it 3 months ago...and not a nibble. If you're thinking of selling to "make" money...I wouldn't count on it. The market's pretty flat right now.