No Auto Return = Griefers Playground?

Just to warn people.

If you have land anywhere in Second Life that has the auto return set to 0, apparently it can be hit by griefers. More and more places I have flown through or walked through lately in SL, including my own land until I reset - have been hit.

Griefers somehow fling an object into the land, and the object sends out spam (asking to accept a bad object) or particles. Since auto return is 0, the bad item just sits there.

I was just flooded more than once, swimming around underwater, with LOLcat pictures, and other odd pictures, and the song soulja boy and "it's a trap" playing over and over. The land is for sale and the realtor hasn't checked on it in a while apparently. Some of the land had auto return at 1 or more minutes. Those were fine.

But every parcel with auto return at 0 had griefer objects stuck in it. I hope this calls the problem to LL attention if it isn't already known how widespread it is, and I hope that everyone will go check their own land after reading this.

Especially YOU, land barons and realtors. All those parcels just sitting there, well now they are hosting grief objects that are flooding/spamming other people's land. Not of your own fault but nonetheless...please go set auto return to 1 or higher. (Make sure all objects on the land match land ownership first, of course!)

Some parcels had 15 non owner objects hidden on the land. Kids are bored once school is out, I guess?

Even they, the Lindens, forget to do this.

it appears to more common on mainland the estates, especialy with abandoned parcels because by default parcels reset to autoreturn 0 when abandoned.

Still I normaly set my estate parcels to 10 minutes autoreturn anyway because I don't want to have to manualy check and clean the empty parcels when it can be automated, offcourse they still can put things on parcels by paying the 1 L$ to put it in their name but that shows up in my transaction history and my info boxes tell me when a parcel has changed ownership, if the corisponding boxes have not been payed it means I have to check it out but that is limited to a few parcels a day.

those parcels usualy are used as sandbox by someone and then abandonded back to me, bought by mistake or a scammer tries to resell them.

Abigail how do you mean, pay $1L to put land in their name?

She's talking about renting estate parcels. Pay one linden and you claim the land, then you're expected to pay the rental box for your actual tier payments. Griefers can use this to just simply pay to claim that piece of property but never pay the tier, then they can use it as a base to do anything to the residents of that estate (and perhaps nearby estates as well) with impunity until the estate owner becomes aware of what they're doing and forces them out.

I allow objects and sell\ect ones to remov since I collect art and artists tend to leave things around. Sometimes just cleaning land regularly is better plan. Jiggy.

Ahhh okay thanks.

Yeah maybe the $1L down payment isn't such a good idea. Maybe have to contact the owner and have them collect first rent first, before land rights go to the 'new renter'.

It's a lot of effort to put into random grief, I'll never understand the impetus.

Hmmmm...

Then again, if the land doesn't allow build or object entry......one wouldn't think to use auto-return.

But, apparently none of that matters. My land is set to no build but because it is a rented homestead, and my landlord had placed waves around the island.....I don't use auto-return because I'd lose all my waves.

Oddly enough.....even with no build/object entry..... I still have to clean up every so often. Just a couple days ago I updated the objects count in 'about land' and there was 48 objects by someone I never met. I couldn't SEE the objects......I flew up a few 100 meters and found nothing. I checked the persons name against all my groups to see if they were possibly on my island for some spacific reason (occasionally I'll do photo shoots there) but nada.....zippo....

So....I returned the 48 mystery objects.....but I'd like to know how they got there in the first place on no build/no object entry land. Probably griefer material of some sort....except I never did see see or hear ANYthing. So....I check my objects regularly on my land. If I had the patience to set down all my own crashing waves (one of these days) I could use auto-return.... til then I'll keep my rental waves and take my chances.

Why not make the payment the first month's rent?

Deed your land to a group, and ask the landlord if they would mind temporarily joining the group so they can change the group for the waves to match.
It was probably two or more vehicles that crashed or were abandoned while flying over your land.

Oh what fun it is.

Okay, yeah, I'm awful. I don't drop spammy objects on Linden Land, but if I find it build/autoreturn 0, I'll put something on it.

yup, even on no-build, no-object-entry land you still want to set autoreturn... and if it's supposed to be an empty lot, setting no-script also reduces the spam while you wait for autoreturn to kick in (although it isn't perfect, since the trick that bypasses the first two also bypasses no-script)

Back when the new eastern continents were new, there was a whole sim with no object entry and no autoreturn, containing one little island. I "rode" a palm tree there and set it down, and it was soon joined by a couple of deck chairs. I sent Torley and a couple of other Lindens landmarks and they were all amused.... it stayed there a couple of months before being returned.

A word of warning here about turning on auto-return. If you have group land and you turn on auto-return, anything that is not set to the group will get auto-returned. I speak from bitter experience!

yes, i cant really enable autoreturn because i have various things set to various groups at different altitudes, overlapping each other, parcel lines and so on.
i really need to sort that out.

Yes, and I found a LL reclaimed 4096 that still had the previous owner's ban lines around it! I guess those don't default OFF when land is abandoned. LL was very quick to respond to my ticket and remove the ban lines. Imagine if it had gone to auction with ban lines! No one could have gotten to it.

There's still a way to get around Auto-Return. I discovered it by accident when one of my old neighbors did something.

Wouldnt be a 100% guaranteed thing, but I know it can be done if conditions are right.

Just adding to the information pot here

Auto-return does nothing against self-replicating objects, they replicate too fast for auto-return to be able to get rid of them.

What I'm noticing more of is the presence of "squatting sellers," particularly a certain set of allegedly 'botted high-end sports cars that have cropped up with price tags all over the grid.

Marianne - really? I haven't seen those. Well I did have a car frozen in mid-air over my house just recently, and it had a buy option on it, but it looked like they had gotten frozen there by accident, maybe racing over empty land nearby. Wasn't sure. There was another such car in mid-air over another nearby active lot. And at the same time several lots around there had been hit by the bad-object-invite spam. :/

Just to reiterate a bit - it IS possible for griefers to get objects onto land with no build no scripts and no object entry. If it has no auto return, they find a way. They know the object will remain stuck until the owner realises it's there. My land had all those settings on 'no' and so I did not think auto return was necessary. I kept it that way so I could build with or without a group tag on. I found out the hard way. Lol I had to send multiple AR. What's also bad is the people whose names were on as (the grief object) owners may have been spoofed. One girl had "I'm not a griefer but my account is suspended" on her profile. (Although it made me wonder if so how she got in to reword her profile. Lol) If she was innocent, poor girl.

But you MIGHT wanna go in and deed your objects to the land ownership, whether it's a group or yourself or whatever, because, once those particle objects hit you cannot see a THING. Your only recourse then would be to hit auto return AND lose all your own objects to lost & found. I tried standing in the lot that had that thing going and I could not see anything, and I tried to use CTRL ALT T and still nothing, all it did was light up the particles. It was some land baron's land, it's sat there forever without even being active for sale; I sent him an IM, he was online but didn't reply.

So Anyway - just something to think about. I think it's better to deed all objects on land to the group/owner, and put a 1 or 5 in auto return just in case. But it's up to each person.




That's what I meant. A lot of those lease 'ownership rights/buy without premium' lots have $1L claim to 'buy' the land, then you begin paying rent. I think they should either just rent outright, requiring to meet the landlord first, upon which time the landlord activates the land rights for the person, OR, just make it a steep enough 'buy' cost to weed out griefers (hopefully). The down payment could be refunded upon receipt of first month's rent, or when the person leaves, or whatever. Although that could have problems of its own, requiring an honest landlord.

I kinda think the whole 'lease' thing is murky water anyway. (But my main point is, no $1L thingy to turn on land rights.)

Auto return is on either 2 or 5 minutes for my smaller parcels, 90 minutes for the public parcel, and it's off for my skybox, but I clean it regularily.

Skyboxes are probably a little safer; they seem to look for abandoned/empty looking parcels, thinking their objects will stay put longer.

But I wouldn't say they wouldn't attack an active lot either...

I think you mean to say "set your objects to the land owning group" as deeding to a group that does not own the land will not help at all and you should only deed items to a group that owns the land in order that it will work properly (parcel radios, tvs etc.). Setting an object to the land owning group is enough to get the protections you are talking about.

Deeding unnecessarily is bad because you are no longer the owner for that object. This can cause all sorts of unintended behaviour from objects that disappear when being manually returned to more restrictive permissions than before being applied when you try to take ownership of it again.

Yes, I know...I broke down and deeded everything on my actual home lot, to group last night so I could set auto return above 0, due to the grief attack being literally so close to home.

I am not sure my door will work any more, now that it is set to the group, unless I am wearing the group tag when I go to the land. BIIIIG pain in the tuchus.

And yes I meant that, I thought I said that, but if it was worded badly, thanks for clarifying.

Whoever is listed as the owner of the land, the objects on it have to be deeded to that person or group before you set auto return above 0 or they will POOF.

And yep it does mess with some objects to be deeded to a group, but, it's better than the land being rendered unuseable.

No, no, not "deeded", you mean "set to".

Setting objects to the land group is enough, you don't need to deed them to stop auto-return.