Did I overreact?
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Annabelle Babii
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03-29-2008 10:58
I was working on a product last night... For those who haven't been by, the best way to describe my shop is a huge hangar with smaller buildings inside. I was inside one of my inner buildings, scripting a catwalk, the doors closed and locked on bothe the hangar and the building I was in...
A super-tan male avie wearing a 20m radius facelight and bling on everything wanders over from the adult club next door, hovers outside, and starts shouting in potruguese. Not speaking portuguese, I wasn't sure whether or not he was speaking to me. Then he IMs me in portuguese. I reply that I don't speak his language.
He banged futilly on the door for a minute, then sit-warped into the hangar, walked the length of the hangar, walked into the building I was working in, up the catwalk, and stood on the pressure sensitive prim I was working on. He said something in Potuguese again. I again told him I do not speak his language. He fired up a translator program, and I asked him what he wanted. he said "I can be here?" I told him no, the store wasn't opened yet, which is why the door was locked. Then he asked me for $2l.
I introduced him to my friends Freeze, Ban, and Eject. He landed on my house in the adjoining plot, so I FBE'd him again. He bounced across the road to my pond, and I FBE'd him a third time. He was stuck in a solo game of avie-pong across the road for a few minutes, then poofed.
Was this too extreme, or would any of you have done the same thing?
Should I have attempted to have more polite discourse with him before sending him into perpetual pong?
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Chris Norse
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03-29-2008 11:02
If anything you gave him too many chances. Once he cam/sits to enter the building, I would have banned/ejected.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-29-2008 11:02
That could well be the high spot of his or her entire SL experience.
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Kathy Morellet
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03-29-2008 11:02
Nope! I'd have bounced him the moment he entered the hanger, let alone walked over to your inner building.
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Faithless Babii
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03-29-2008 11:03
hmm...its a tough one when you do not speak their lingo...(im not sure why i found the mental image of him ping ponigng about so funny though lol) I think i would sent him a note later, and explain why youd had to do that, so if he was really interested, he could get it translated and wonder no more  I so so so dislike being disturbed when im working on something ...especially by those that just bust in...but hey im a privacy freak  Its your space...dont feel bad about it .
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Damien1 Thorne
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03-29-2008 11:07
I ejected someone that was standing in my foyer when I logged in a couple of weeks ago just because I asked him what he wanted and I didn't get an answer. You had the doors locked so the person should have known he wasn't welcome. He wasn't such a newb that he didn't know how to sit-cam in. You didn't overreact. Just im us when it happens again so we can watch the fun of him bouncing around. 
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Cortex Draper
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03-29-2008 11:12
yes you overreacted.
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Isabeau Imako
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03-29-2008 11:14
I know Sl is suppose to be a social 'get-together' place, but I personally hate when people _insist_ on continuing a conversation when you make it clear it isn't a good time for you. And, no. It wasn't a language thing. He knew exactly what he was doing.
I may be 'farouche' (I really wish someone would tell me an English alternative for that word - can't find it in the dictionary) but just because we're in SL, doesn't mean we don't appreciate quiet moments sometimes, (especially in your own place). I would have done the same thing.
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Hiro Queso
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03-29-2008 11:14
I can see how frustrating it must have been, but yes, I think you overreacted a tad.
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Dekka Raymaker
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03-29-2008 11:15
personally i only ever ejected and banned anyone for being rude, I don't think trespassing on a *world wide* web server warrants a punishment. i would ask them to leave with a reason for doing so, if they didn't but just hung about I would just ignore and sometimes just TP away for 5 minutes.
I stress they are on a world wide web server, and i stress it really really isn't your land, but you definitely have been given the rights to ban and eject them from the part of the server you are financially supporting for Linden Labs, so you can do so.
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Chris Norse
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03-29-2008 11:18
From: Dekka Raymaker personally i only ever ejected and banned anyone for being rude, I don't think trespassing on a *world wide* web server warrants a punishment. i would ask them to leave with a reason for doing so, if they didn't but just hung about I would just ignore and sometimes just TP away for 5 minutes.
I stress they are on a world wide web server, and i stress it really really isn't your land, but you definitely have been given the rights to ban and eject them from the part of the server you are financially supporting for Linden Labs, so you can do so. I am paying the rent on it. It is my land.
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Dekka Raymaker
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03-29-2008 11:22
From: Chris Norse I am paying the rent on it. It is my land. it's just interpretation of wording, and I would never deny you to use whatever words you feel comfortable with.
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Caroline Ra
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03-29-2008 11:23
Yes you could at least have worn a babbler and asked him humiliating questions about himself in Poruguese. Tortured him with logic etc., its sometimes the only fun you get when engrossed in hours of creating.
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Annabelle Babii
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03-29-2008 11:24
From: Dekka Raymaker I don't think trespassing on a *world wide* web server warrants a punishment. i would ask them to leave with a reason for doing so, if they didn't but just hung about I would just ignore and sometimes just TP away for 5 minutes. But I did make it clear that I did not desire his company and the building was closed. However, I refuse to TP away from the land I pay for and interrupt the work I get paid for because someone else wants to my server space.
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Hiro Queso
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03-29-2008 11:25
From: Chris Norse I am paying the rent on it. It is my land. I have to agree with Chris. Annabelle, I think it was a bit of an overreaction simply because it appeared to be a result of poor communication between you. I'd certainly have no problems ejecting someone from my land if they didn't heed polite requests to leave, but I wonder if he fully understood. He asked if he could be there, which I doubt someone would do if they were an ass, and I think it's just a unfortunate case of a communication break down. I can understand the frustration, though, and a request for money certainly tests my patience!
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Hiro Queso
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03-29-2008 11:26
From: Annabelle Babii But I did make it clear that I did not desire his company and the building was closed.
However, I refuse to TP away from the land I pay for and interrupt the work I get paid for because someone else wants to my server space. I agree; you shouldn't have to do that.
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Dekka Raymaker
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03-29-2008 11:30
From: Annabelle Babii But I did make it clear that I did not desire his company and the building was closed.
However, I refuse to TP away from the land I pay for and interrupt the work I get paid for because someone else wants to my server space. That's why I said "but you definitely have been given the rights to ban and eject them…so you can do so." Your question asked for an opinion and I just gave mine, wasn't actualy detrimental to you or your choice at all
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03-29-2008 11:32
It is your land you can do whatever you want to trespasser regardless of the reason.
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Isabeau Imako
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03-29-2008 11:35
The thing is, Annabelle wasn't stopping him from walking around 'her' land. Reread this part, From: Annabelle Babii He banged futilly on the door for a minute, then sit-warped into the hangar, walked the length of the hangar, walked into the building I was working in, up the catwalk, and stood on the pressure sensitive prim I was working on. He said something in Potuguese again. I again told him I do not speak his language. He fired up a translator program, and I asked him what he wanted. he said "I can be here?" I told him no, the store wasn't opened yet, which is why the door was locked. Then he asked me for $2l. He wanted to interact with her. This is why he was at that spot. Not because he simply wanted to explore SL. To me, this makes a big difference. She was obviously busy, and the fact he stood on the prim she was working on and was asking for money tells me he he didn't really care about what _she_ felt like doing at that moment. Why should she care about what _he_ wanted to do? It's not like banning hurt him physically.
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Cocoanut Koala
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03-29-2008 11:36
From: Annabelle Babii I was working on a product last night... For those who haven't been by, the best way to describe my shop is a huge hangar with smaller buildings inside. I was inside one of my inner buildings, scripting a catwalk, the doors closed and locked on bothe the hangar and the building I was in... A super-tan male avie wearing a 20m radius facelight and bling on everything wanders over from the adult club next door, hovers outside, and starts shouting in potruguese. Not speaking portuguese, I wasn't sure whether or not he was speaking to me. Then he IMs me in portuguese. I reply that I don't speak his language. He banged futilly on the door for a minute, then sit-warped into the hangar, walked the length of the hangar, walked into the building I was working in, up the catwalk, and stood on the pressure sensitive prim I was working on. He said something in Potuguese again. I again told him I do not speak his language. He fired up a translator program, and I asked him what he wanted. he said "I can be here?" I told him no, the store wasn't opened yet, which is why the door was locked. Then he asked me for $2l. I introduced him to my friends Freeze, Ban, and Eject. He landed on my house in the adjoining plot, so I FBE'd him again. He bounced across the road to my pond, and I FBE'd him a third time. He was stuck in a solo game of avie-pong across the road for a few minutes, then poofed. Was this too extreme, or would any of you have done the same thing? Should I have attempted to have more polite discourse with him before sending him into perpetual pong? I did the same thing, and for a lot less! Mind you, I'm extremely easy-going. Only one person was on my ban list, for caging me, and he has been there for ages. (I should check to see if he even still exists.) I even like eccentric behavior. Behavior I don't like, I overlook. But sometimes a person is working and doesn't have time for a lot of nonsense. The other night, I was working on a house with a friend of mine, and this guy came along, and started silently rezzing prims here and there (including inside the house - not the sign of a sincerely mistaken person). I had already said hi to the person, but he was nonresponsive. He was also not going anywhere, but continuing to rez prims on top of my house, etc. Finally I IM'd him and said, "This isn't a sandbox." Still no answer. By this time I was actively deleting prims as soon as he rezzed them, so I froze his butt. (And had to put the land on no-build for anyone else, which I usually have on with a 3-minute return.) And, for fun, kept re-freezing him, to see if I could keep him there a while. (I could!) Meanwhile, I put him on the ban list. Finally ejected him. I spent five minutes on that guy, instead of on my work, just trying to get through to him, then trying to get rid of him. After booting him, he spent three or four minutes banging around at the edges of my land. Finally, he IM'd me: "I'm sorry, I didn't know!" Wow, he CAN speak! No problem, I said. But I won't be removing him from my ban list anytime soon. So even patient and mostly easy-going people can simply not want to be bothered anymore! I wasn't even mad. I just put a stop to the annoyance that wasn't going to stop itself. So no, you didn't overreact, as far as I'm concerned! coco
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Dekka Raymaker
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03-29-2008 11:41
From: Isabeau Imako The thing is, Annabelle wasn't stopping him from walking around 'her' land. Reread this part,
He wanted to interact with her. This is why he was at that spot. Not because he simply wanted to explore SL. To me, this makes a big difference. She was obviously busy, and the fact he stood on the prim she was working on and was asking for money tells me he he didn't really care about what _she_ felt like doing at that moment. Why should she care about what _he_ wanted to do? It's not like banning hurt him physically. I completely agree with the points you make. However you can hurt someone psychologically. I started playing on line games when I feel in to depression, hell I was a grown man probably 38 or 39 when I started, well in one fantasy game you could be attacked and if you lost the battle you would lose land you had previously gained through exploring or attacking, when I lost land it threw me in to a deep depression and I would feel terribly hurt. Of course after a while playing this game and moving away from depression I realise that was so stupid, but I also learnt over the same period of time that many players in that game were young people from around 14 to 24 who also suffered depression.
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Adana Ember
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03-29-2008 11:45
Wow ... you guys are way nice. Back when I was a baby resident I somehow landed in the middle of someone's house. The resident was there and was angry at the sight of me. Before I could so much as apologize he ejected me, no questions asked. I've been extremely careful about trespassing since. Anyway, Annabelle, I just about fell out of my chair laughing at the image of the bouncing blinging boy ... if nothing else it was worth the entertainment value. 
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Ceka Cianci
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03-29-2008 12:36
i remember me and some friends when we were new landing at a furri club.. they were actually very nice to us ..they even dropped a prim down and stretched it long enough for us all to sit on..
here have a seat..so we sat down..the next thing i remember is we were flying through the air riding this prim together and landed at what looked to be the same club..only it was filled with humans..
i guess it could have been worse..it was one of the nicer ejects i have gotten when i was new..
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Weston Graves
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03-29-2008 12:49
Look -- I'm an explorer. I love to roam around and see what people have built. But I don't barge into their buildings, locked or otherwise, I don't ask them for money, I don't disturb them in any way. If this guy behaved that way to me, I wouldn't eject him. I'd rez a chair and start working on it hoping he would sit on it. Then I'd accidentally set the Z coordinates to about 800. That's not orbiting. That's editing your prims. I'd then ban and mute him on his way down.
If he had wanted to just hang around and watch even, it might have been a different story, but if he knows how to sit to get past a lock, he's no newbie and was trying to be annoying.
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Sylvia Trilling
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03-29-2008 12:52
Your gut told you to FBE. Trust it. I think we are all taught to throw away what we know to be true and participate in letting others invade our psyches. It doesn't have to be that way. You can say no.
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