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What Elan is trying is closer to (RL) normal than would be Pick buying.

If he paid people to walk around with sandwich-boards (that's advertising boards hanging back and front of the avatar - for anyone not familiar with the phrase) , that's more like advertising. It would be a more effective form as it would not depend on people happening to check the person's Profile and seeing the Ad.

In SL, having an ad in the text of a person's Profile does not particularly do any advertising to people walking around. It really only has an effect in search results, but because it's not a link, that's limited to a possibility of getting the words in front of eyeballs if someone does a search like "Rent land" that included People in the body being searched. Plus it only works if the ad is at the front of the person's Description.

It's more an interesting experiment than a plot to dominate the universe.

But I don't get into difficulties - you do. And you do it when you post wrong information for people because you don't know what you're talking about, so you mislead them. All I do do is point out that what you've written is wrong.

There you go again - posting misinformation. In this case it's your imagination, which makes it a lie. And you are known in this forum as a liar. To be honest, I don't know why you keep on doing it - you know you'll be exposed again.

The keyword stuffing isn't helpful to searchers because it ruins useful html pages. I already said that. But the places that are ranked highly are still useful for searchers.

Sling. Your posts show very clearly that you know precious little about how search works, either in SL (the GSA) or on the web. Anyone who knows anything about it only has to look at your statements in this thread to know that.

Your statements aren't usually open to interpretation. I only respond to what you write. If there's any doubt, such as with the "helpful to users" stuff, I respond to the different possibilites that you could have meant. Your "dog dog dog" statements were wrong in that you didn't include other necessary things - because you don't know them.

I didn't laugh my ass off about you talking about classic techniques at all. I laughed my ass off because you claimed that what wrote were classic techniques, when they were just waffle or things that you'd heard somewhere.

I don't know anyone who specialises in search gaming, so I can't really reply to that. The only people I know who use so-called gaming techniques, do it, not because they want to, but because they have no other choices if they want to rank highly.

Others, maybe, but you? Don't you just wish LMAO. Let's see you get a page to the top for anything competitive with your "dog dog dog" method then. You won't be able to do it because you know very little. All you know is what you've read somewhere along the way. You know nothing from your own experiences. And don't bring that "few days after launch" website up again. Any idiot can get a website to the top of Google in hardly any time at all. What matters is getting a website to the top of Google for searchterms that people actually search on in good numbers - competitve searchterms.

From what you've written in this forum, you are one of those who know little to nothing.

I don't try to help with search in this forum. I stopped doing that a long time ago. Some people may find what I write to be confusing, but, unlike you, I do write correct things when I write anything at all.

Concerning search, I do what I do for my own purposes. If it includes things that are considered by some to be gaming, it makes no difference to me. I don't do things in order to be approved of by people like you.

How about paying people to wear a group tag?

There's not much room there, and how could you ensure that they kept the group activated all the time?

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How about paying people to wear a floating text? That could be scripted to talk to a server when it's rezzed. It could also ping at intervals - that would track the time for which they were wearing it.

No it's not. Picks provide IBLs, which improve the rankings of the destination pages. That's why people pay for them. Text in a profile doesn't make any difference to the rankings of any page whatsoever. It just means that those pages come up in search for that text, that's all. It's not the same at all.

Yes it does. That's why it's #1 for the phrase - as expected.

There's only my alt, as far as I know. And that's just for one day, as a little experiment. It won't be ranked for the phrase tomorrow.

Tacky. If I could, I'd orbit anyone doing this.

That's not true. Lots of people look at other people's profiles. That "About" text box is a good place to advertise. That's what I thought Elan's purpose was until he explained it.

To be honest, I don't think his purpose will be successful. It's not easy to improve an avatar's ranking by IBLs, which do matter for higher rankings, especially for competitive searchterms. Although, these days, plenty of repetitions might do a bit towards it, but I still don't think it will be successful. It would be interesting to see if an avatar can get high up for "rent land" by repetitions.

Well, yes. But we are talkng about paying people in return for something.

Certainly, a competitor of Elan would do a "Tag Off or F**k Off" if they saw someone floating his ad on their patch.

Many do, but the ad is not as inescapable as would be an explicitly visible ad. It's "lots" v "everybody".

However, the ad in the Profile would not cause the hassle as would a visible ad in a competitor's patch. So overall, it could be used more widely. THere's a balance to be struck somewhere between the methods.

Marketing and creation are two very different areas. Marketing will always be seedier, always.

True, but imagine the brand impact when you keep coming across the same name, ninjaland, in profiles.

Don't you love assumptions!

They sometimes lighten the day There was an excellent one on Prok's blog not long ago. I thoroughly enjoyed that one

lol that nutter...do you have URL?. Her rants and raves are always good for a laugh!

Ninjaland reminds me of cartoon mutant turtles = RP = kid's stuff, therefore I won't bother even looking at it any further.

IMO, the word ninja is so overused in our society that it has become meaningless - right up there with "unique."

Don't tell me your product is unique, tell me why I want to purchase it, e.g., Is it exceptionally well made? Uses hand-made textures? Low lag scripts? Same way when it comes to land: What is it about your parcel that is attractive to me, the buyer?

Just because someone owns hundreds of parcels, impresses me not because then my perception is that more money is spent on advertising/marketing, hiring people, etc., and the price will be higher for those parcels.

Ut, oh. On soapbox, sowy. Stepping down.

There's a saying in the advertising business - "Don't sell the sausage, sell the sizzle." It is excellent advice, and something that I am hopeless at, but it makes all the difference.

However, in this case, the phrase in people's profiles can be a darned good brand builder, which is a different aspect of marketing.

You made me chuckle, Phil. Thanks for that, but maybe you don't give yourself enough credit?

And on the backend, after the sale, the saying that dovetails with yours, "Give em the pickle."
http://www.giveemthepickle.com/

I don't want to help newbies. I want to trade with newbies. I give them something they value, they give me something I value. In much the same way that camping is an exchange of money for traffic. I was hoping to find something that felt more legitimate. It doesn't even need to be money for advertising. I'd be happy to pay for actual work completed but it's quite hard to find something useful that newbies can do since they tend to be new for very short periods of time and come and go so rapidly that time spent training is quickly wasted.

I guess I don't think giving away money in exchange for "goodwill" is a very efficient marketing scheme. Others might disagree and indeed money trees and whatever else exist that do this. I'm more of a fundamentals kind of guy and this seemed to be the closest I could get. I won't comment too much on Sarah Nerd except to say that she certainly had a very succesful advertising campaign.

This reeks of the corporate greed that got us in to the current economic mess. This is the attitude of earnings at the cost of the human factor.

Please say something that might indicate you are compassionate?

Sorry, not compassionate.

It does not equate to corporate greed! Geez...you've been watching too much Fox News. SL is not exactly pushing out numbers that can be related to corporate honchos walking away with millions.

If you're a business person and you want a return for your donation into the system....that is not greed...it's promotion....marketing....jobs.....whatever.

I want a return. It's part of business. That does not make someone less than compassionate. It simply indicates someone that is using good business sense. I give my donations in SL to the American Cancer Society - no conditions. When business is concerned....I give donations based on expected return. That doesn't make someone a scumbag or scoundrel.

What kind of business do you run in SL?

Don't watch Fox news at all.

I do, however, watch business owner attitudes towards customers.

Doesn't matter if it is in RL or SL, I shop at places where I sense the customer is valued as a person, not just looked at as a source of revenue.

I have nothing against a business earning income; I have real concerns about the business that does not care, and I, as a consumer, will not support that endeavor or recommend it to anyone.

And nope, don't have a business in SL: I am a consumer. Is that a problem? Does that disqualify my opinion? Guess it does if you are a business owner who doesn't care.

I've run businesses since I was a teenager. I can't think of one that would have functioned without some revenue. Figured out as a teenager....that comes from a customer. Also figured out that it will not come continually, if you don't take care of customers.

I ask if someone runs a business in SL....because I like to know what kind of
experience someone bases their judgment on. I think the judgments you are making in your posts are way off.

I think that you have some nerve with that last comment of yours. You have no information, no background, to make that judgment call about most of the business owners here. And if it was not a general assumption...and was directed toward me....you certainly have no information, background to make that judgment.

I've read that pickle thing before - not long ago. Don't remember how I came upon it though.

I'm not being hard on myself. Selling the sizzle instead of the sausage is like advertising, "Look like a million dollars in this!" as distinct from "This is made from the finest cotton." Such sizzle doesn't come readily to my mind