Myth: Premium accounts only?

I guess it's a good thing that they never said that then...

Direct or indirect... She is still contributing more real monies into the system in amounts worlds beyond some premium members. (^_^)

I continue to use myself as an example... I am a land-owning, payment used, payment info on file, premium member. But... All of this is due to a one time payment to go premium for a year and buy enough (and only enough) L$ to buy my 512 parcel. Beyond that, I make no recurring monies contributions to LL ever. LL is not making a profit on my presence here. (^_^)

That said... How can anyone assume that LL would benefit from arbitrarily locking her out for the sake of my own ability to log in? (o.o)

Agreed. Well I’m not going to debate “non-critical” because that’s subjective but no one really dies if they can’t get on. And yes technology always has its glitches and if people can’t accept that then they should go out and chop wood for a living. (not that there is anything wrong with a wood chopper person)
But. Solutions concerning who or what gets preferred access onto the grid when the grid is over taxed had been offered by someone and Linden Lab felt compelled to offer it up in a blog as a valid contingency plan. What burns me is when I know there are thousands of inactive campers/bots (what ever) sucking up valuable pixel air and I’m stuck outside watching my ice cubes melt.

How is a business owner contributing money into the system?

The only real money being contributed is that which is charged to a credit card/PayPal, everything else is merely moving money from one person to another, some of which eventually makes it to LL.

If your tier to LL is $50 and I give you $50 which you use to pay your tier who actually paid your tier? You can say you did since you're the one who handed the money over to LL, but I can also make a point that since I gave you that $50 I indirectly paid LL $50.

If we're both claiming we paid LL $50 one way or another then LL should have gotten $100. Since they only received $50 one of us is clearly making a false claim. So either it's the person handing LL money who counts, or it's the person who bought L$ on the LindeX. You can't have both.

In Ceera's case she neither pays LL directly, nor spends money she put into SL herself (I think since she mentioned cashing out? :confused) which makes her a non spending resident, no different than any NPIOF. That's not to say that her business doesn't obviously contribute in different and necessary ways, but the thread is about "spending money".

the only thing LL gives you by being Premium is the ability to own mainland and the ability to contact Live Chat....... You are not given a promised login, you are not more important than non-premium. BTW, yes I am premium on 2 accts.

Ive been pleased with being premium but other than what LL deems Premium to be it doesnt go beyond that.

Let's be very careful of what is being asked for! The deciding who is more important than someone else is a very slippery slope that I doubt will never come to pass.

I will grant that my customers, the people who pay me to build for them and who buy my textures, are the end source of my income. But most of my income originates from my sim building work - 20 hours a week, on average, spent building and creating content in SL. If I can't get in-world, I can't build for my customers, and I don't get paid for that work.

If I am paying my monthly rent to my sim owner in-world, and for many sim owners this is standard practice, and if I can't log in, my sim owner does not get my payment. If he does not get my payment, then he may default on what he owes directly to LL for his sim, and also I might lose my land. If he fails to pay LL their tier, they lose a sim owner, when the sim gets reclaimed.

It doesn't matter if MY income originates further up stream. If I can't get in-world to make that payment, a sim owner that needs that money to pay LL could end up in default on their sim.

This is why restricting access to only one class does not make sense. The SL economy is a complex chain of individuals - content creators, service providers, landlords, and customers. Cut out any subset of that economy that is actually contributing to the cash flow, and you disrupt the economy.

Restricting access to only 'members' might work if SL was just a game, or just a social site, with no ecomomy. If Suzy can't chat with Tommy becaise Tommy is a member and Suzy isn't, that only affects the two of them. But if Suzy is the estate maneger for 30 sims, and needs to be in-world to deal with griefers, resolve resident disputes, and fix problems, it affects far more people.

But SL is more than a social site or a game. SL has a very active business and economy, and LL has promoted that aspect heavily as one of the big reasons for being here. Disrupt that economy, and you hurt SL. And that is why they are very unlikely to restrict access to just Premium accounts, or to just Payment Info Used.

/me re-reads the OP.... (o.o)

Ah... (^_^)

Noes... The thread is about arbitrarily restricting access to basic members during high load times. Potentially profitable basic members at that. (=_=)y

Well, then it's a good thing LL never said they'd do that that.

I'm a premium member, I fully own two sims, and spend anywhere between $600-800USD per month in SL.

That said....I still get locked out at times during peak loads. Which pisses me off to the extreme.

LL is actually only really concerned about people who pay them end of line; land owners and people who buy lots of L$ from LL, if your buying them from a 3rd party,anybody but LL directly,they don't care about you.Now the person your buying from they are a great costumer and when there is an issue they take care of them.

if your a basic account that does not own land IE and island or your not a premium account, you not much more to LL then an extra in a movie and if things are not going well today we can shoot with a few less extras no big deal!

you don't pay tier if the money goes to anybody but LL,you rent, again end of line.
outside of theft if you did not convert L$ threw LL they don't care where they came from it's irrelevant

have you ever heard of you get what you pay for well if your not paying LL directly your not paying for jack and have no place complaining about service or if they will restrict your log on

The problem is that SL is an economy all it's own and LL relies on the economy to be alive and active so that it can be profitable at all. (^_^)

Sure, I paid LL directly. LL has received something like $150 from me, total, for potentially the entire year until my next premium fee is up. Even then, I intend to pay for that fee by using the L$ I make inworld. (^_^)

The only way LL will make any more monies from me is by these indirect means. Either in sales, contest prize monies, inworld work, or project monies. Much of that monies may have come from basic members buying their L$ or the 'catalyst' NPIF residents. If those people are booted from the grid for any reason... That monies flow stops... And SL is immediately at a loss as an economy as a whole. (T_T)

While, based on my account status, the technical perception is that I pay LL directly. The fact is that my methods are more indirect than many basic account members... And... At a much much lower rate. (=_=)

I'm not saying you don't have a valid grievance in some contexts.

But in the context of 'who can or can't log on to SL when the grid has high traffic', there does NOT seem to be a valid distinction between the groups you mention.

Everybody hates bots, but when asset server is overload, only bots should be able to login, since them are usually not making any kind of inventory operations or texture transfers, and i think this is the reason that is preventing LL from blocking bot access to the grid. Of course it's just my opinion.

Yeah, most people don't realize this. Bots use almost no resources at all compared to a regular user client.

Traffic bots, you mean.

Camp bots use a bit more than traffic bots but still not as much as 'real' avatars.

Land bots use a LOT of resources.

Yes, i was talking about traffic/camp bots. I don't know landbots but i suppose them uses much resources for teleporting around the grid, as much as a real avatar that teleports around

It's the figuring out that they need to TP that I was referring to.

How hard do they need to hit search/land in order to show up, 24/7, within seconds of you setting the land for sale?

This would be easily solved by prevent too fast queries by same login

They introducted that a while ago now... not too surprisingly it just ends up annoying and blocking humans while the bots aren't bothered.

Yep when they discovered half a dozen landbots were sucking a huge amount of resources, they did that slowing everyone down, the botrunners just added a heap more bots to make sure they still had second by second coverage.