Wrong Tier Fee?

Tier donated to a group is ALWAYS considered used, even if the group is not currently using it. So at some time you had 512m of tier used (but not utilized) by your group, PLUS 1024m of land that you actually owned, leaving 1536m of tier that you were responsible for ($. If you correct your land holdings so that either they are all held by the group or you remove your tier donation from the group, NEXT MONTH you will be back to the $5 tier level.

Okay, so how exactly do I deed to the group properly?

There are a few options under "About Land"

Owner: Celayna Bleac
Group: (currently blank)
Allow Deed to Group: (currently unchecked)
Owner Makes Contribution With Deed: (currently unchecked)

Under "Group Info"/"Land & L$"

Parcel Name/Region/Area (all currently blank)

Total Contribution: 0
Total Land In Use: 0
Land Available: 0
Your Contribution: 0

Under "Group L$"
Summary for this week, beginning on 8/13/2007
The next stipend day is 8/20/2007

Balance L$ 0

Group Individual Share
Credits 0 0
Debits 0 0
Total 0 0


I am the owner of the land & the owner of the group that it will be donated to. I don't want to accidentally end up being in a 2024 tier!

So how do I do this exactly?

Thanks again for everyones help

Check the first box.
Do not check the second.
Go to Land and L$.
Contribute the tier, or make sure it is contributed first (512 or the whole 1024 if you want to maximize your bonus).
Deed the land. (if you cannot deed the parcel because of some error, check the second box)
Go back to Land and L$.
Ensure that your total contribution matches the amount of land deeded to the group. Subtract if necessary.

Hmmm it says the group does not have enough land credits and wont let me deed the land

This is why I said if it gives you an error, go back and check the second box. You must have the tier contributed first, but it's wonky in that you may have to have excess tier first and then subtract once the land is deeded.

This person DEEDED 512 of 1024 meters to the group.

Actually it is safer to make the contribution when you deed the land, as otherwise you do run the risk up bumping yourself up in tier....

You own 1024m. You want to deed it to a group. If you first contribute 1024 worth of tier to the group, you are now effectively in the 2048 tier slot. Perhaps if you then deed the land quickly enough the system won't notice, but it you contribute it with the deeding you will never run that risk... (the problem comes in when more than one person is contributing land to the group, but only one person is deeding, then the others must have contributed theirs prior to the deeding).

Additionally, when you contribute with the deeding it will automatically apply the 10% bonus for group land.

Yes, but I have also found that it often will not let me deed the land, even if I have the contribution box checked, until the tier is contributed first. It's bass ackwards, and it appears she is hitting the same problem.

I assumed that it wasn't working because she was trying to deed 1,024, and the initial instructions to her were to "512 or the whole 1024 if you want to maximize your bonus", and wanting to make sure she did not get bumped into the 2048 level (as she said she didn't want to do) she only contributed the 512 (which would cause it to fail if the contribute with deeding was not checked- remember, she has joined the two sections into one 1024 plot, and cannot deed a portion of that without splitting the land back in two).

I was also pointing out that the initial instructions she was given:

"Check the first box.
Do not check the second.
Go to Land and L$.
Contribute the tier, or make sure it is contributed first (512 or the whole 1024 if you want to maximize your bonus).
Deed the land. (if you cannot deed the parcel because of some error, check the second box)"

would in fact cause her to run the risk of getting bumped to a higher tier group, which is something she specifically said she wanted to avoid. It is always safer from that standpoint to try to contribute with the deeding. If that fails, *then* try your method of making the contribution first.

I get this error enough to know that the tier has to be contributed first, which is why this error surfaces to begin with. Lo and behold, it happened. She has to have the contribution first before deeding. Simultaneous contribution doesn't work.

After it's deeded, I have to go back to Land and L to make sure the contribution is correct, and subtract out the deeded amount of land, so that the land available number goes to 0.

The game forces you to tier up for all of a couple of minutes if you do this right. You won't get charged for it, not for a few minutes.

Never had this happen. And no, the tier does not have to be contributed first if you do not get this error. I've never done it your way and always been successful.



Um, then why did you tell her to do it when your method failed?



Actually, if you do it correctly you don't have to tier up. I never have had to.

Lucky you. If simultaneous contribution worked that way every time, I would never have known that this error exists.

I have deeded seven parcels of my own land to my group in recent weeks.
For each parcel, I checked the Contribute tier with deed.
It worked perfectly every time, calculating the amount of my tier to take after taking the 10% group bonus into account.

The *ONLY* way you'll get away with donating the tier before you deed is by having enough spare tier to cover the tier that you donate. i.e. if you have at least double the tier free.
If you don't have that, then you *will* be bumped up a tier level.
DO NOT donate and then deed.

Think of tier donation as buying that area of land. It has the same effect on your tier.
Donate with deed will not affect your tier level.
Donate without deed is the same as buying more land.


When transferring land from group back to yourself,
1) reduce your donation by the area being transferred (remembering that the group will lose 110% of the area), and the group will go into negative tier
2) buy the land, and the group will get back to covered tier
3) your tier level will be unchanged


Caveat:
If the group was using *all* of the members' donated tier (including the 10% bonus) so that it had no further 'available land', then you are screwed. Or rather the entire group is....
If you are transferring 1024 metres out, you need the 1024 back from the group before you buy the land back.
However, the group will lose 1024 + 103. The 10% of the 1024 is also gone from the group.
The group will then be 103 metres in negative tier, and according to credible rumour, LL will at some stage after that disband the group and confiscate all its land.

op is probably thoroughly confused now.

That's probably the clearest post to date.

lol yes you are correct!

Well for the time being, I want to thank LL for responding to my ticket and fixing the original issue. They fixed my tier fee! yay!

I am a bit hesitant to attempt to do this again (donate to the group) because of so much conflicting information.

It would be nice if there was a sticky with step by step on how do do things in game (such as transfer land to group properly). It is difficult for a new person to learn by "trial and error" when real money is involved in the mistakes made.


Thanks for all your posts. I will try to do this again at some point. *crosses her fingers that she picks the right posts to follow*

Yes. Oryx discovered exactly the same thing yesterday.

That's why there are things like the Knowledge Base.

(Would *always* suggest using knowledge base first. As you've found out, the forums can be a wealth of bad and conflicting information...not to say that the Knowledge Base is perfect, though)

Log into Support, Click on Knowledge Base

Then Click on "Land and the Linden Dollar"

Item #7:

How do I deed land to a group?

Deeding group land can seem like a complex task, but the following steps will handle the most basic scenarios.

To give land to a group, but continue to pay for it:

1. Right-click the land and choose About Land.
2. In the General tab, click Set and select the group.
3. Select Allow Deed To Group, then Owner Makes Contribution With Deed.
4. Click Deed.
If you're not an officer of the group you want to deed your land to, you'll have to ask an officer to click Deed for you.

As it happens, I was selling a 128metre plot to someone last night.
I asked her about her tier levels to make sure that she would be aware of any effects on her tier.

She had a problem that I think I successfully explained to her
She had
1. bought a 2048 plot
2. formed a group
3. contributed 2048 of tier to the group

Bang! She then effectively had 4096 metres of tier to pay for despite that she "only ever owned this 2048".

Not to point out the obvious, but there IS a sticky at the top of this very forum called "Step-by-Step: How to Transfer Land", which includes info on transfering land to a group properly.

LOL yup I'm a lazy girl who doesn't read stickies. This thread straightened me out though. Thanks gang!