AR, is there a point?

Something I've always hated in this game, is the AR feature.

If your getting griefed surely that's up to the owner of THAT land to deal with, and if your getting verbally harassed mute them.......what's the point in doing ARs at all?

Just seems kinda lame...

I have never liked AR although you and me are prolly in the minority. It seems so playground / classroom "tell on you to teacher" for things that are so minor that its barely a fluffle on your real surface of the day.

Mind you, I am not so much of a socially committed person who must make sure everyone else is following orders. Punk doesnt sit well with this "Behave yourself or I'm telling on you". But griefing is nasty. On other hand I feel I was personally griefed when I was ar-ed by some DudleyDoRight who got uppsies with a nipple or two.

I leave avs alone and dont even mute. You can get a good chuckle from some of the wild things people type.

But this is a world bilt around a corporate model and I am not a corporate employee so this hierachy of protocols and behaviours is an odd fish to a self-employed roller.

I ask further whether it is the way we'v been brought up - if I said 'Mum, mum, that boy stuck hs tongue out at me..." My mum would say, "For God's sake Jig stop telling on people. No one like a tell-tale-tit." So I stopped immediately. And dealt with the issue on my own.

I do think it's over used. I've never ARd. That's not to say I wouldn't, but it would have to be something beyond my ability to control or ignore. Because bad things can happen I wouldn't support removing the ability to AR.

The problem with ARs, and even banning an avatar from your land, is that they can simply set up an alt avatar or close their main account and start over under a new avatar and begin the griefing all over again. Either one, banning or ARs, really is only a temporary fix, but it can be helpful for the moment.

I've AR'd a grand total of 3 people since '04... one for purposely crashing sims. one for pornography in a pg child av sim, and the last for stalking and harassment though scripted devices...

If dealing with it on your own involves you sticking your tongue at the boy, the boy will AR you and you'll get a warning on your record. Repeat the tongue-sticking and you could end up with a ban.

But Void don't you feel 2 out of those 2 should of been land owners to deal with?

I mean sex in a child sim, kiddy porn all that stuff, yeah sure report.

But if it's anything thats not illegal, and more down to land managment or muting then surely those things should be taken out of Linden control.

I wonder how many AR's Linden Labs receive per day......my guess would be over a 1000 a day.
Think of all the AR categories possible. LL has no where near the man-power to deal with it all, look at the slow progress in enforcing some of their new policies . It's probably why they like Estate sims...it passes the buck over to the Estate Owner to deal with a lot of potential AR'able situations.



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*is currently perving your profile*

I've never AR'ed either. I seem to manage to avoid situations where it might be needed.

I only AR for things I can't handle with the existing tools. Usually, it's on Linden owned land or overhanging prim that the owner of the adjacent property has hostilely refused to move. Otherwise, nowadays, ARs take too long to process for the punishment to be swift enough to work effectively.

On the Linden owned land, it's usually sandboxes or welcome areas that have the highest level of idiocy I have ever seen. Unfortunately, they're also the likeliest places for newbies to wind up and get caught in the fire. So, I AR idiots in those areas, because the newbs are less likely to stick around in SL if it's a griefer's heaven.

And the overhanging prim.. that was years ago. I had one neighbor get pretty hostile when I asked him to please move his tree from out of a section of my shop. In fact, the idiot added MORE trees to prove whatever point he as trying to make. The Lindens made my point, however.

I ar'd someone yesterday for sending me a wall of text spam in portugese (I think, that's the closest I could get on babelfish) about going to a website to buy a spamblocker.

I have a lovely tongue. Pierced with a platinum stud. It glistens and I can make the O shape that so many cant.
I bit throgh it once when I went into seizure but it's recovered now.
No one would ban me for my tongue sticking out or sticking in. Poems and songs have been composed celebrating my tongue.

ARs are management issues. Either you are a manager or your not. Dont AR cos someone stood on your toes.

But the landowner on the Mainland is LL. Sometimes it's the only way of dealing with a dispute between neighbours that, on a private estate, would be resolved far more quickly by the landowner.

And I don't see what else, as a landowner, you're supposed to do when someone keeps on crashing your island for you. We tried banning him but he kept on coming back with alts and doing it again (he was very upset with one of my tenants, who'd banned him from her club). Getting him told in no uncertain terms he'd be machine banned if he didn't stop was the only way to get any peace and quiet.

I've AR'd a few people. All of these instances were griefers making a region unusable.

Muting someone doesn't help much if they're dropping self replicating screaming cubes on a region. Someone has to come clean them up, and do something about the offender.

Of course if you think Second Life would be better if everything was covered with Tubgirl bombs, feel free not to AR the people doing it.

Lucky. I organize events and the plans usually include 2 things:
What to do when the sim crashes.
What to do when the event gets griefed.

[Note that neither of those two items include an 'if' clause.]

It's there for a reason. I use it.

Sorry but no one's gonna shame me from doing what my instinct tells me to do. Nor do I pass the buck onto the land owner, who after all is not psychic or omnipresent (most of them, anyway.) It isn't about where it happens, just what and why.

No SL day is complete for me unless I AR at least one person.

It's my little contribution to a Cleaner SL Society and a More Predictable Experience.

no... in only one case was the land owner reasonably able to do something if they had been there (that would be the porn incident) and even if they had been there, it would have just meant that they'd move on to the nest sim.... similarly somone purposely crashing sims isn't going to be affected much by any single land owner, and in the last case I mentioned the person was using exploits in the sytem which land ownership could do nothing to prevent.

but none of that is really the point. the point was ongoing harassment of people that could do little to stop or protect from the harassment. and that's why they got AR'd.

now petty little personal squabbles? I wouldn't waste my time, mute ban eject, ah life is good.

now my question to you is do you think that every property owner should be available at all times to field complaints, or should matters that involve violation of terms be policed by the people that set those terms?

@Brianna
Perv away, I don't mind, If I didn't want it read, I wouldn't write it (just don't assume too much, some of it is for show)

That is another thing I'd AR for. Sim crashing is something LL really frowns upon and so to is a self-replicating object attack.

Though the self-replicatings aren't nearly as bad as they used to be. Used to be, a self-replicator could take down the entire grid, requiring the Lindens to clean up the mess. It'd also kill the asset system for a bit too.

Those are also something that is hard for land and estate owners/managers to control, because it can crash the viewer, often before the sim dies.

I haven't used the AR a lot . . . a total of 6 times, I think, and not at all for nearly a year until last week when I had to AR someone who was griefing one the presentations for 16 Days of Activism. In general, I've come to believe that the AR is not the way to go unless you need action right away on something like a griefer. (In the case of the griefer last week, the G-Team was commendably quick to respond.)

That said, I remain firm in my belief that the AR is, in THEORY anyway, a good thing, because it represents a community-based response to problems, rather than a ham-fisted response by some sort of official policing agency. Yes, it is prone to abuse, but I'd still rather we (i.e., residents) self-police.

The chief problems with the AR, beyond the fact that they can be abused by vigilantes, is that the process of responding to them is both opaque and inconsistent. If these problems were fixed, there would be fewer nuisance ARs, and more faith in it as a system.

Over the years I have filed 152 AR's.

74 Strongly Suspected underage at Welcome island/Help island
44 Particle/Prim/Sound Spam at Welcome island/Help island
27 Public Harassment on Welcome Island/Help Island
03 Being a general dick in public and not feeling like dealing with it
04 Non PG Profile pictures (When that person thrust them in my face)


For anything else I invite them to my place, turn health on, and shoot them.. ^_^

ARs are an essential tool when you deal with griefers and are not on your own land, because you can be sure a confirmed griefer will AR you for dealing with him, and it is wise to alert LL that there is another side to his story. The drill is: AR, then smash, burn, destroy, bend, spindle and/or mutilate as appropriate.

ARs are also helpful in getting LL to come deal with things like encroaching prims and resource abuse.

If someone is going around crashing sims, AR, absolutely. LL wants to know about these bozos, and the sooner you get them banned and forced to spend time creating yet another alt instead of griefing, the better.

ARs done in the spirit of "Mommy! Mommy" He LOOKED at me!" should get you thrown in the cornfield a while, if the cornfield were still in operation.

I usually give them a warning. Tell them they can be AR'd for what they are doing. Actually many of them don't know they are breaking the rules. If People didn't tell in real life there would be a lot of rapist and murderers walking the streets. I don't think that would be a good thing. I believe it takes a lot more to make things right, then just to ignore them. It shows who cares and who does not.