Land bot misuse, warning and reminder
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Raymond Figtree
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09-30-2007 13:42
Latest sad story of land bot misuse. Not sure how his land could have sold without him clicking ok, but here it is: http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/629If it was a lag or bug issue, this story is even scarier... Regardless, never set your land to "Anyone" ever for under L$5.6 a meter, unless you want it to go to a landbot. Even if there is no one nearby on the sim where you are doing business, bots can and will be faster than the avatar standing next to you, even if they are nowhere in sight.
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Felix Oxide
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09-30-2007 13:52
The victim definitly needs to file a support ticket so LL can test this. I suspect that maybe he accidently hit his enter key after typing 133. (since I am not in the habit of setting land for sale and am not crazy enough to try, I do not know if that is even possible.)
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Raymond Figtree
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09-30-2007 14:20
From: Felix Oxide The victim definitly needs to file a support ticket so LL can test this. I suspect that maybe he accidently hit his enter key after typing 133. (since I am not in the habit of setting land for sale and am not crazy enough to try, I do not know if that is even possible.) Yeah since I never heard of this happening to anyone else, I have to agree, it was probably the slip of the wrist.
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Felix Oxide
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09-30-2007 14:23
From: Raymond Figtree Regardless, never set your land to "Anyone" ever for under L$5.6 a meter, unless you want it to go to a landbot.
Thay should just change "Anyone" to "landbot" in the drop down list. 
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Bradley Bracken
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09-30-2007 14:35
I don't think there's any possible way that a bot can still the land out from him as he was typing the price. There was definitely a slip up there IMO. Doesn't change the fact that this really sucks and that a person doesn't have time to fix a mistake in a reasonable amount of time. We are human after-all. Well, maybe not the landgrabbers....
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Sling Trebuchet
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09-30-2007 15:51
A friend of mine reported a C.B. as the one who ripped her off over a momentary typo.
Are you (hello) contacting me about a land (this is random copyrighted text) you sold me? Do you want me (don't you even dare to post ) to look into it? Send me a (it anywhere, never mind on a LL forum) "note card" with details. If you made (because that's probably a TOS violation) a MISTAKE by listing your land for cheap, well be nice, or else...
Be nice or else ???
Wrist-slip? Potentially the same sort of wrist-slip that causes the dreaded double-endless-TP, or as I have experienced lately, the randomly generated endless TP. The client software does at times appear to 'send stuff' to the servers off its own bat.
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Raymond Figtree
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09-30-2007 16:30
From: Sling Trebuchet
Wrist-slip? Potentially the same sort of wrist-slip that causes the dreaded double-endless-TP, or as I have experienced lately, the randomly generated endless TP. The client software does at times appear to 'send stuff' to the servers off its own bat.
But we all have experienced double TPs. This is the first time I have ever heard of land selling three steps before the end of the process.
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Detox Watanabe
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09-30-2007 16:44
land bot misuse isn't the right term. The right term is "Incapability of setting up a sale properly".
Tooooo bad.
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Raymond Figtree
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09-30-2007 16:49
From: Detox Watanabe land bot misuse isn't the right term. The right term is "Incapability of setting up a sale properly".
Tooooo bad. When the landbot runner refused to reply, it became misuse. or at least, a crappy way to make a few bucks.
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Shanna Scholten
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09-30-2007 17:10
This happened to me a couple months ago. The guy I was selling the land to was right next to me. I couldn't get the option to work where you sell it to someone specific so I told him to just buy it immediately. Well within no more than 5 seconds (no kidding) a landbot bought the land. Luckily it hung around and we checked the profile finding out who he was affiliated with to and he sold me the land back. He told me there is nothing illegal about it which may be true, but I found it highly immoral! He told me I was the one in the wrong for having setting it to sell to anyone. Well live and learn ay?
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Cristalle Karami
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09-30-2007 17:15
From: Shanna Scholten This happened to me a couple months ago. The guy I was selling the land to was right next to me. I couldn't get the option to work where you sell it to someone specific so I told him to just buy it immediately. Well within no more than 5 seconds (no kidding) a landbot bought the land. Luckily it hung around and we checked the profile finding out who he was affiliated with to and he sold me the land back. He told me there is nothing illegal about it which may be true, but I found it highly immoral! He told me I was the one in the wrong for having setting it to sell to anyone. Well live and learn ay? It takes nothing off of you to PUT IN A NAME if you want someone specific to purchase a plot of land. It would have been unsavory if he didn't sell it back, but it is still your responsibility to put it out there at a proper price, and if you have an intended buyer, PUT IN THEIR NAME.
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Dekka Raymaker
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09-30-2007 17:18
From: Shanna Scholten He told me I was the one in the wrong for having setting it to sell to anyone. Well live and learn ay? I sympathize and would hate it to happen to me but, "sell to anyone" does actually really mean that!
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Shanna Scholten
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09-30-2007 17:18
As I stated in my post I had tried to put in the NAME of the person, but it wouldn't take it. SL was apparently acting weird that night.
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Starfire Desade
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09-30-2007 17:20
From: Felix Oxide The victim definitly needs to file a support ticket so LL can test this. I suspect that maybe he accidently hit his enter key after typing 133. (since I am not in the habit of setting land for sale and am not crazy enough to try, I do not know if that is even possible.) Well... if they were using the keypad to enter the numbers, the three is right next to the enter key... it COULD have been hit with a slip of the finger.
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Raymond Figtree
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09-30-2007 18:10
From: Starfire Desade Well... if they were using the keypad to enter the numbers, the three is right next to the enter key... it COULD have been hit with a slip of the finger. They would have had to hit enter twice though because the first enter would make a confirmation window come up. Odd...
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Kevyn Hienke
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09-30-2007 18:34
From: Raymond Figtree They would have had to hit enter twice though because the first enter would make a confirmation window come up. Odd... More than that, because you also have to select whether to sell it to anyone or sell it to a specific user plus select whether or not to sell objects with it before you hit the sell land and confirmation buttons....
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Raudf Fox
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09-30-2007 18:37
From: Raymond Figtree They would have had to hit enter twice though because the first enter would make a confirmation window come up. Odd... My enter key sometimes sticks, which could account for that bit. And the screens tend to flash quickly by when that happens for me.
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Raymond Figtree
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09-30-2007 18:51
From: Kevyn Hienke More than that, because you also have to select whether to sell it to anyone or sell it to a specific user plus select whether or not to sell objects with it before you hit the sell land and confirmation buttons.... Actually you can set those two things first and go back to set the price last...
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Kevyn Hienke
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09-30-2007 19:15
From: Raymond Figtree Actually you can set those two things first and go back to set the price last... Of course, but you pointed to a specific case. And if you read that case you undoubtedly saw where he said "I came to the land and clicked the land and went into changing the price. I had typed 3 numbers 133 and bam it sold for that price never clicked ok nothing." So he did not set those previously, according to what he said, hence it must have been more than just a case of hitting enter twice. Elementary, really.
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Bradley Bracken
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09-30-2007 19:36
From: Dekka Raymaker I sympathize and would hate it to happen to me but, "sell to anyone" does actually really mean that! I believe that the mistake was probably his also but I really don't think it matters either way. The system still sucks and something needs to be done about the bots.
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Taylor Meness
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09-30-2007 19:52
Am I naive in thinking that a 5 minute grace period after you set the price, just in case of mistakes, is all that is needed to fix the problem of accidentally setting it at the wrong price? 5 minutes in which the land cannot be bought by anyone, where any mistakes can be rectified is all that is needed, and I'm sure that it wouldn't put the sellers out on any way.
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Starfire Desade
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09-30-2007 19:59
From: Kevyn Hienke More than that, because you also have to select whether to sell it to anyone or sell it to a specific user plus select whether or not to sell objects with it before you hit the sell land and confirmation buttons.... They had already set it for sale to anyone... they were going back in and changing the price. All the other info was set on the first setting.
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Kevyn Hienke
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09-30-2007 20:03
From: Starfire Desade They had already set it for sale to anyone... they were going back in and changing the price. All the other info was set on the first setting. Nice try, but he only way to change the price is to cancel the previous land sale and then go through the whole process again. There is no way to just go "back in and change the price".
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Raymond Figtree
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09-30-2007 23:08
From: Kevyn Hienke Nice try, but he only way to change the price is to cancel the previous land sale and then go through the whole process again. There is no way to just go "back in and change the price". Nah, like I said, you can set a price, then set to anyone, then choose whether to include objects, and then go back up and change the price before hitting the sell land button.
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-30-2007 23:40
In that blog entry you linked, someone else on down said that the same thing happened to another person - still in the middle of putting in the price when the land was bought.
This seems unlikely to me also, but bears looking into, since we have two anecdotal reports of it, albeit one second-hand.
The five-minute thing seems to me a good idea, too.
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