HELP ME:How Do I Get My Money Off Of Test Grid

Ok, i have like 40K in beta test grid and i would like to send it into main grid somehow does anyone have any ideas on how this could work Please Help Me lol

lol. Attempt to deposit it into SLExchange XD

Actually, don't, you'll probably just lose your beta grid money until next time they copy your account over or whatever it is they do.

Impossible. Nothing on the Test grid can be moved to the main grid, especially not L$ balances.

It can't work and will never work. Beta is strictly for testing. You main SL account isn't debited for any money you spend in the beta grid and you for sure can't bring any extra money back with you. You also can't bring back any clothes or any other items you buy there or anything you create there. The only thing you can bring back from Beta is a script you have worked on/created by copying it and pasting it into Notepad and then a blank script in the main grid.

the beta grid uses Play Money, so to speak.

A few betas back i ended up with over 160000 lindens - imagine my horror, but it was fun while it lasted.

Why would anyone waste the amount of effort required to build up L$40K in the beta test grid in the first place?

Well, because they apparently didn't know it was just play money...

Silly

I gave away 1 million L$ on beta once, because someone asked me for some L$ there. L$ are worthless on beta, except for testing transactions.

Only thing I can say is: Thank you for extensively testing the SL transaction system.

How bout giving a big chunk of what you have on the beta grid ? It might be fun buying everything there is to buy on the beta grid.

Sorry, that was in a time I actually thought being a Lindenaire was cool... I've grown up now.

Now i seen everything. 3 years and i though i heard and seen some pretty crazy things. But this one is close to the LLABS PR about gambling......"YOU TOO CAN WIN BIG ON Second Life Gambling.....AKA "RM" is the person i refering to as the that PR BS-ter person.

But really you can`t exchanges objects or money from the beta game to the main game.

Sorry.

Gambling machines are legal on beta the grid yes? Perhaps this is where all the gambling addicts can go? Might help in beta testing the new releases if they all go there too

I've plenty anway, though well short of a million. I'm so tight fisted I won't even spend my beta money. Never know when I might have some kind kind of financial emergency in the beta grid.

Lindenaire.....

Bowling for lindens.

See a linden, pick it up, all the day you'll have good luck.

Lindens are the root of all evil.

Lindens can't buy happiness.

The love of lindens is the root of all evil.

Lindens makes the world go round.

Lindens can't buy love.

Too many lindens too easily gotten spoils you.

A fool and his lindens are soon parted.

A good reputation is more valuable than lindens.

"And when you got lindens,
you got a lots of friends
crowdin' 'round your door
When the linden's're gone
and all you're spendin' ends
they won't be 'round any more
no, no, no more"

God bless the child that's got his own,
that's got his own. His own lindens, that is.

are they?
since youve mentioned it, it is logical that they could be legal on the beta grid.

Absolutely NOT. What ever gave you that idea? No, they are just as illegal on the Beta Grid as anywhere else. The Lindens didn't specify the ban was only for the main grid. And the fact that you can't get your L$ "winnings" out of the Beta grid doesn't matter a whit. You can still "receive something of value" in exchange for your wager. No different than someone trying to get around the ban by giving out big-ticket no-transfer items as prizes. It's still something of value, even if it is only usable on the Beta grid.

I don't see how it would break the current gambling rules as written. Consider teh three criteria:

Is any actual/convertible money wagered? Nope, it is the beta grid, where you can neither put money in nor take money out.

Is there a random number generator? Well, yes.

Is the prize of value? I don't think so. In the case of monetary (beta-linden-dollar) prizes, they cannot be taken out of the beta grid, making them non-convertible. In the case of objects as prizes, I am led to believe nothing survives a server reset. In any case, objects given out as prizes cannot be taken out of the beta grid to the main grid.

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To be hit by the gambling ban, you would have to answer yes to all three questions. The first one is a definite no, making any answer to the others irrelevant. fwiw, if the only prize is beta-linden-dollars, then that would also be a definite no. Even if objects were offered as a prize, it is uncertain whether that would be considered as something of value, as it can't be used outside the beta, which is inherently temporary.

So, yes, I know LL did not specify that the gambling ban is specific to the main grid. That doesn't matter. Seeing as no actual money is (or indeed, can) be wagered in the beta grid, the terms of their gambling ban as written would allow it to go through.

Quote:
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It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life (R) environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games:

(1) (a) rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner, OR (b) rely on the outcome of real-life organized sporting events,

AND

(2) provide a payout in

(a) Linden Dollars, OR

(b) any real-world currency or thing of value.
===========

So looking at the policy:

The Beta grid is definitely "the Second Life (R) environment operated on Linden Lab servers".

The term "Wager" is not defined as being "convertable" - a wager in L$ on the beta grid is still a wager. In fact, they don't specify at all what the wager is placed in. A wager of 37 prim toothpicks would still violate the part on placing a wager, if it met the rest of the requirements.

There is no exception anywhere in the above policy that makes a payout in "non-convertable" beta grid L$ any different than convertable main grid L$.

Personally, it is a technicality I would not choose to risk the existance of my Second Life account on. If you do... well, that is another form of gambling you'd be doing. Do you feel the value of gambling on the beta grid is worth the risk of losing your account, if LL disagrees with your interpretation of the techicalities involved? Place your bets.

Ceera,

I noticed you ignored the bit of LL's policy in which one of the requirements for a device to fall under that ban is that a wager must take place As linden dollars within the beta grid have zero value, a gambling machine in the beta grid can't fall within the restrictions of the gambling ban, since in effect, no wager is taking place.

"I'll bet you five tokens of no intrinsic or convertible value that I will get tails when I toss this coin next. If I win, you give me 300 tokens of no intrinsic or convertible value."

Nope, nothing of value is being paid out.

To be a wager, real money is not necessary. One could bet a stake of bananas and it is still a wager. What matters is the payout - and if they are in US$ or L$ then it is banned.

Are Beta grid lindens real lindens or just some kind of fakey virtual world imitation of the real true rock solid tangible lindens we have in the real, commonly perceivable, objectively verifiable, mutually agreed to exist world of Second Life?

Technically L$ (which I assumed is what you mean't by "Linden's", as opposed to LL's employees' inworld identities - who are certainly fakey virtual imitations) have no value anyway, according to the TOS, so beta L$ and main grid L$ are the same thing. The TOS definitely says that the payout cannot be in L$ and doesn't specify which grid, so it's logical to assume that beta L$ count too.

I think of it more like $L are real in both MG and Beta with the difference being Beta is like a drug dealer having a $1,000,000 in a Columbian bank but he can't make a withdrawal.

Linden Lab runs the Linden Dollar Exchange, and at secondlife.com/currency, LL has this to say about the subject of linden dollars.



If beta lindens are "Linden Dollars", then by the above statement, they should be exchangable for U.S.dollars on the Lindex.

They aren't in fact exchangable on the lindex, leading me to conclude that they aren't considered by LL to be REAL linden dollars, but are instead a sort of phantasmagorical hallucination of a linden dollar, more of a linden doppleganger than a linden dollar.

Or maybe they are counterfeit linden dollars.

What is the relationship between the beta grid and the phantom zone?

You know, this is an interesting idea, because in the legal sense gambling on the beta grid should be fine. You never risk your real L$ balance, which will be restored the next time the beta grid is updated, and you have nothing to gain because your winnings can't be cashed out (and like losses, will be nullified with the beta grid update).

But for practical reasons, I expect LL will keep the no-gambling policy in place on the beta grid. If I understand correctly, the beta grid is not large, and is not able to handle anywhere near the numbers seen on the main grid. And although anyone is allowed there, its main purpose is for testing.

If gambling was officially allowed there and became popular, the beta grid could become so filled up with gamblers that the beta testers (trying to use the beta grid for its intended purpose) could be locked out. Suddenly LL has a secondary grid that generates no income and serves no useful purpose for them, and nowhere to conduct beta testing. So business-wise, I'm guessing LL is gonna say no to beta-grid gambling.