Home security orb -- is it necessary?

Wow, this sounds exactly like what happened to my BF and I last night! Except it was 2 women who invaded us. Nice work on your part. And hence the reason we now are looking into said security system.

If folks respected privacy and just didn't barge in and make themselves at home, using poseballs, building, leaving empty packages around, etc, then we'd not need any security system. Sadly folks use the anonominity of the web to be inconsiderate rude ill mannered people, worse than many are in real life

And I've seen sims take bigger performance hits from blingtards than from half a dozen security systems running.

building and leaving empty packages around? Thats one thing that quite simply I think the blame should be on the owner. I have building on my land set to group, and anyone I want able to build there is invited and given various permissions.

That should always be the case in my opinion, because there are griefers in the world. Its not just 'noobs keep leaving crap on my porch' its a matter of your home/business being safe from attack in general...

And yeah.. if wel made security systems arent very laggy, its just alot of people have crappy ones that have super-lag capabilities

Most bling causes client-side lag rather than server lag. But still, you get security orbs that run a sensor every second or faster, while they do get throttled it still has an impact.

As for people's attitudes. Most people see SL ultimately as a game, in many aspects I do to (refuse to encourage emotional attachment beyond good friendship, completely ignore drama etc.). They don't see why they shouldn't just be able to wander around anywhere they like, or explore anywhere they like, I'm guilty of this too but within reason, I like to wander round nicely built sims, but many good ones are RP only sims which sucks.

So yeah, the tag-line "Your world, your imagination" should really have a disclaimer "Does not imply any real or partial ownership of any virtual or actual worlds or properties".

I personally don't need them because I *like* people to visit my home. Buf if someone wants privacy it is their right of course. I prefer security orbs over ban lines because they don`t interfere with vehicles. But it should be set to something like 30 seconds so you have a reasonable chance to leave before getting kicked.

10 second warning is required I believe, which unless you got to the center of a full-sim secure area should be plenty I'd think..

In order for "no build" to really be effective at all, "object entry" needs to be turned off as well or someone can grief simply by rezzing it onto the nearest parcel and dragging the prim onto your land.

Of course that would anger vehicle users since they can no longer make use of your land to "explore" so some people choose to disable build and leave object entry turned on but then they still have to deal with random prims/abandoned vehicles popping up.

bah disable both o.o

Nope... it is a legitimate feature for use in a number of applications.

That's your choice, of course. And I wouldn't be upset with the inanimate orb... but rather the person who put such a short timer on it in the first place. Of course, the TP feature is a bit heavy handed, but it is perfectly legal for use in this application.

There is no need to deal with random prims and vehicles if you turn on the "autoreturn" function. Then us "vehicle users" can pass on through, and if we fall out of our vehicles... they will *poof* off of your land as soon as the autoreturn fires.

oh yeah autoreturn... i like autoreturn...

so.. that only returns things not being sat on? THats good to know

I have no interest in setting auto return on, as I allow my group members to rez objects. I don't want those objects arbitrarily returned.

Your group members won't have their items autoreturned if they have your group active. Autoreturn will only target items belonging to non-owners/group members.

If you fall out of your vehicle, you go retrieve it. What's so difficult about that?

Auto-return isn't always an option for many legitimate reasons that have already been beaten to death many times in countless threads.

It also won't auto-return items that are simply selected. Rez a prim on auto-return land, pick Edit and any griefer can keep it around as long as they feel like.

Oh! Wow, never knew that.

Some people don't... I always do. With autoreturn, landowners don't have to worry about it.

Autoreturn won't kick something that is attached to an avatar (vehicles, for instance). Avatars won't kick items belonging to the landowner. Autoreturn won't kick items set to the group the land is set to.

What's the problem?

Aye, it's a handy feature indeed!

You just need to make sure your land is set to the group you don't want autoreturn to effect.

I have no build, no object entry and no auto-return and it's absolutely perfect for what I want to do.

* if someone can rez or drag an item onto your land, auto-return won't take care of it until the object isn't being sat or kept highlighted in edit, so as far as griefing is concerned it's the same as if auto-return wasn't enabled at all

* auto-return is useless with self-replicating prims coming in on your parcel and you can easily get into a situation where you're putting unnecessary strain on the asset servers or the sim.

There was a self-replicating script next to my land shooting bullets onto my parcel. I had object entry allowed so the bullets covered my land but were stopped by neighbouring parcels with object entry disallowed. Auto-return kept on returning a never-ending supply of fresh bullets, actually causing noticable lag.

If I had had object entry turned off it wouldn't have been a problem. The parcel next door would have filled up and that would have been the end it.

* As I pointed out in another thread, I have everything on my land set to group. When I build something I turn my group tag off and when I'm done I link it together and set it to the proper group. Any prims left are prims I forgot to link (I can find them before I move the object and notice I forgot one), or prims that got moved off somewhere into a floor or under the land or wherever. Returning non-group objects helps me keep my parcel clean.

When rezzing coalesced returned prims, not having them set to group helps make sure that one prim/item didn't rez in a place where I can't easily spot it either.

Auto-return would continually return my own prims in the above example and I wouldn't get the extra benefit of being able to spot prims I own not set to group.

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That's the first three that instantly pop into my head. Not that anyone should even have to justify their choice of land settings in the first place.

That's what AR's are for.

So turn it on while the attack is taking place, and file an AR.

That's why you AR the griefer who set up the autoreplicating bullet gun. Turn the feature on during an attack, and remove it when it is done. That's how I would handle it, out of courtesy to others.

So turn the auto-return feature off, and the no object entry feature on while building. Very simple.

I have land, and I absolutely take other people's quality of SL experience into consideration when I set my land controls. I perfer not to hinder other people's enjoyment of SL because I feel some sense of overpowering entitlement.

You can do whatever you want with the options provided... but that doesn't mean you have to use them all the time the way you describe. The fact is, you simply don't care whether or not anyone else is negatively effected.

Way to build community there... /sigh

Demanding that you should be allowed to fly a plane in an area not specifically designated for that activity is as inconsiderate as those "couples" who sneak into someone else's house to have their sexcapdes.

For the former there are literally dozens and dozens of LL owned sims specifically set aside for that very purpose and whole mini-continents that specifically cater to that interest and where tenants know and agree to allow it on their rented parcels, for the later it's any publically adult areas.

The only thing you can reasonably expect from any landowner is that they are considerate of their neighbours, not that they should cater to people who want to engage in an activity in inappropriate places.

That is rediculous... you aren't serious, are you? I am talking about flying across the main grid, which does not specifically HAVE any rules against flying around... hell, your friggin avatar can fly WITHOUT a vehicle. Flight is a core feature of SL.

And I am not demanding anything I do not gladly give to anyone else. But throwing restrictions on every aspect of travel in SL is not exactly "making the world a better place".

I am all for privacy, but I am all for actually being able to travel around in SL without having to TP everywhere.

You do not own the airspace above your banlines... specifically to allow travel over your parcels. My argument is that people who are paranoid someone might see their pink & blue are starting to ruin the main grid with overuse of banlines.

Unfortunately, some people just won't be happy until their own selfish justifications ruin everyone else's experience. Way to build a community, pal.

You seem to have a heavy sense of entitlement there, "kitty". You might want to tone that down a notch, and get a grip on things, eh? Second Life is a social platform, and LL has always used "exploring the mainland" as a selling point. Your concept of "innapropriate places" does not fit that bill. Your point of view, as presented, is antisocial, anti-community, and offensive on high order.

You're blending avie flight/travel and vehicle flight/travel together and using one in place of the other where it makes a better point. They're very distinct and separate things.

Using a vehicle is an activity as far as I'm concerned (if you disagree then we simply have different opinions about that and we probably will never see the other's point ), the same as building, socializing, "combat", or anything else on the grid. All those have places where that activity is appropriate either by social rules or enforced by the ToS. If you want to build, you use a sandbox not someone's parcel without permission, if you want to socialize with friends you find a public place you don't use someone else's land for that, if you want to explore do it from the appropriate distance and don't do it by actually entering someone's private space (ie admire the house from the outside, but don't actually go in unless it's clear you're welcomed to).

If theren't weren't already *vast* amounts of land where you can use your vehicle to your heart's content I might symphatize and take the personal bother of having to constantly fiddle with my land settings to appease others, but there are entire land masses suited for vehicles already.

If you want to "explore", no land setting is capable of stopping you, and shouldn't (not even security IMO). However you don't need a vehicle to explore at all, that's a personal restriction you're imposing on yourself and that's where my so-called "lack of consideration" comes into play. Nothing a landowner can do with their land will prevent passer-bys from flying over it, although it might clash with vehicles, but then that was your choice to use it outside of the areas specifically intended for that and vehicles aren't a necessity for "travel" or "exploring", you can do it without them just fine.

You can "explore the mainland" perfectly, regardless of whatever land permissions are in place. You only run into problems when you try to do it by vehicle, but then that was your own personal choice to subject yourself to those problems. Use avie flight and you won't have any. And no that doesn't get in the way of your ballooning interest, there are sims just for that.

Trying to convince someone that their land should be open to you for whatever random activity you might happen to want to engage in at that minute, that's entitlement.
Stating that there are 100+ sims specifically for vehicle use isn't entitlement, it's pointing out the obvious.