Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Oh, I saw it. I was pointing to your own ignorance. Sorry it went over your head.

Only by LL - not by anyone else

Mort stated his interpretaion of the ToS, but it's meaningless. The only interpreatation that matters is LL's.

The voices of those who are against, as you put it, are very few, which is what I said. How many such voices have you heard???

You don't know me and my business, do you

Your error is glaringly obvious, Eric. So obvious even to you that you've now shifted the focus to the future.

Ad farms were not against the ToS, and not against anything else until LL decided they didn't want them. Nobody knows what will happen about traffic bots in the future. LL may ban them - we just don't know.

Now, would you like to get back to the focus of this little part of the thread? May I remind you that we are talking about the here and now - the present, and not the future.

I've come to find that you more than likely shoved your head up your own ass a long time ago, and your ego has gotten so large you just can't seem to get your head back out. This is far from the first post on people attacking bot farms be stricken from Linden Labs, and you seem to be one of the few defending it. However, anyone can interpret the ToS all they want...it's called an opinion. You have yours, I have mine, you just seem to somehow think anyone that has an opinion differing from you is wrong. That's childish. Again, just like with Ad Farms, it's just a matter of time.

By the way, take away your bots, lets see how well your business does. I watched a zyngo hall and mall go from 50k traffic down to less than 1k due to LL slapping them with warnings to remove them after they overcrowded a sim. So, there are definitely ways that bots are already violating the ToS. Still, I'm done here, I've said my peace and I'm not going to waste my time responding to "no, you!", which seems to be your biggest defense. I'll stop by when Linden Labs is done with Ad Farms and comes to terms with bot farms and how they're abusing SL in many different ways, and follow suit with banning them as well. Just a matter of time.

This pretty much confirms your ignorance here. The point was that Ad Farms, which many believed weren't against the ToS, and had almost the same exact thing happen to them (start to finish) as bot farms are having now, are now banned. If you could look a little deeper, you could see the connection, which should have been the only thing that is "glaringly obvious". This isn't a case of LL saying "they aren't bad, we just don't want them". This was a case of LL noticing the overuse and abuse caused by them, and took action. Just a matter of time. I can wait. I'll be here with a recorder to get the loud wail and cry of bot farmers when LL "decides they don't want them anymore".

You even remind me of this guy that fought for ad farms up and down, and was so damn arrogant over it to...maybe it was even you. I'd have loved to have seen his reaction when he heard they were getting banned. Who knows, maybe I'll get to see yours when this comes to pass?

Is that all you've got? Insults when you're losing an argument? How very immature.

The number of voices against them are very few. That's been well established in these threads, and nobody disputes it. Perhaps you don't read them very often.

Don't you think I'm wrong because my opinion is different to yours? That makes us both childish in your view

Yes, anyone can interpret the ToS in any way they want but, as I said more than once, the only interpretation that counts is LL's - not yours, not Mort's, not mine - LLs. And LL's statement is that traffic bots are not currently against the ToS.

You really don't read these threads, do you?

Well done! You actually wrote something that everyone agrees with - traffic bots can violate the ToS in some circumstances.

Oh good. I hope you've learned something from your visit. Thank you for dropping in

By this definition anyone who logs in and does anything will be altering the standard operation of grid. The rest of the passage is clearly talking about attacks on the grid and you've used the catch all word "interfere" to stretch the meaning to the ridiculous. I could say you posting this nonsense on the forums interferes with the standard operation of the forum but I'll avoid it. The TOS clearly states that you are allowed to create clients that log into SL and perform a subset of the tasks the regular viewer does, such as sitting around on a parcel. Using almost exactly those words which anyone can read and understand directly and plainly.

I couldn't be bothered to keep up with this whole crazy thread but I'll comment anyway. Traffic Bots are obviously not against the TOS. Various people consider them unsporting apparently. I'd disagree, but whatever. LL have already said they're fixing search so it doesn't include traffic although they seem to have faltered at the very final step. Really though, does anyone actually use the Places search for anything? That's the only place traffic is relevant (that I know of) and everyone can clearly see Places search is far inferior to the All search. Making the whole discussion irrelevant since traffic bots are just a waste of time.

Please redirect your ire towards the Paying for Picks thread (which I'm also not really opposed to)

I thought you'd finished here <sigh> You're a real glutton for punishment, aren't you?

They weren't against the ToS. Who is ignorant?

Eric. What you don't know, because you don't read enough here, is that nobody in these forums actually wants traffic bots to remain in SL. You are flogging a dead horse, old son.

You might just get to see my face at that time. You'll see it smiling with everyone else's.

I don't criticise you for your ignorance, because people can't be expected to keep tabs on everything in the forum. What I do you criticise you for is your arrogance - writing as though you have the only correct opinions, to the point of insulting those who don't agree with you. Still, you've had the opportunity to learn a few things from this brief visit, so it's been worthwhile

Very weird postings Eric, you really should read up before you speak.

No one in this thread, I repeat no one, thinks traffic bots are a good thing. Not the anti-bot people, not the people who see no problem in using them. So Phil would be as glad as we all would be, when they decide to stop traffic, and they are well on their way with that.

Banning bots would be useless, that already has been concluded long ago. Instead of bots we would get camping. Same way of influencing traffic, so no gains for anyone.

As for the OP: No they are not. Not the way LL interprets the TOS at the moment. They know traffic bots exist, and they decide to leave them as they are. So they are not against the TOS, seems easy.

As for some others: Will they ever be against the TOS? No one knows. No one. None of us are mind readers. Yes they banned some other things, but that does not mean they will ban bots.
The fact you are dying to see the day they are banned, just to see Phils face (Eric), says more about you then about anyone else. And any reading in the threads about this topic would have shown you his face would be happy. He runs bots because it is the only way to get a decent position in search places. If traffic based ranking is gone, he can shut down his bot pc as well so why would he not be happy?

Now I hope they are going to remove traffic, as most of us do apparently. After that, banning traffic bots is useless because traffic bots will be useless. So they hardly will be used, I would think. No one with a right mind would run 20 bots when the effect is zero.

This is just my opinion..

Ad farms were one of those grey areas within the TOS, and yes it was greatly abused. Owning land on Mainland myself, I'm glad to see the back of them....although whilst they were around I learnt to live with them. I think the reason LL got rid of them was for their long term picture of how they want the Grid to be. At the moment, they're focusing on Mainland in terms of zoning and cleaning up some of the mess that was allowed to fester over the years thus making it a viable option to Estates. It will increase their premium memberships for sure as that's been slipping of late.

It was always on the cards if you see the way LL were moving....they slammed land extortion first, controlled land pricing through excess land supply making land more affordable, introduce zoning like they did with Bay City development......so Ad farms had to be part of that cleaning up process imo.

Eric - the Zyngo mall example you gave us, must have been on a Mainland sim......as that's taking away resources from other residents. I'm pretty sure LL would not intervene on any Estate sim.

Again...we don't know LL's long term vision, we can only guess through the snippets of their press release statements. I believe it suits them fine for now to show excessively high login numbers, which are helped by traffic bots of course......but there might come a day that's no longer the case. It's at that point you'll see a policy change.....and most likely the abolition of traffic units.
If they did that...it still would not mean that Bots of any kind are against the TOS....it just means it renders a large number of them useless thereafter.

No, no no! In another thread you said "Many if not most" means what ever number the person using it wants it to mean. I want it to mean everyone opposed to trafficbots.

So I stand by my statement. Many if not most people agree with Mort's reading of the TOS.

In another thread I said, "many, perhaps most" - the latter part implying that the first part doesn't indicate "most" - hence the latter part. However, you are free to mean what you want by what you wrote. "many" means a significant number even to you, so it'll do for me. You mean everyone opposed to traffic bots. I don't object to that, although it's just a guess on your part, because you've no idea one way or the other. What I am confident of is that the number of people you know who are opposed to traffic bots are just a few. So I don't think we're in disagreement, except that you aribtrarily impose Mort's ToS interpretation on them all, without any justification, but that's you, I guess.

Dang lol

QFT

ROFL ROFL ROFL

The poster who probably has thrown more direct insults than any other poster in the history of these forums .. made that statement.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

BS.

Manipulation of search is alteration of the operation of the system, standard actions do not alter the operation of the system.

Optimization for search is not interfering with the operation of it, using certain techniques and exploits does.

And a Linden writing that traffic bots are not currently against the ToS trumps a mere user's interpretation.

How old are you, Mort?

Where is your proof?

And the answer to that is in my profile in world. Just ask the stalker he should be able to quote it.

Remind us again please of the name and job function of that Linden - and the precise text of what he/she wrote.



What is it with the age thing?
What age do you want him to be?
How about if Mort says he's 18? Then you can attempt to patronise him for being relatively young and experienced.
How about Mort says he's 60? Then you can attempt to patronise him for being too old.
So tell us what age do you want Mort to be? Then Mort can do age-optimisation to fit your patronisation engine.

It is a transparent attempt to patronise.
You've addressed me as "Sling, lad" in a number of postings.
You have no idea what my age is or anything else about my RL.

You say you like a good debate.
You obviously don't like an honest debate.
You debate like you "search optimise" - with underhand party tricks.

My question to Mort - the one he keeps ignoring - has nothing to do with you.

No.

Then kindly take the same advice you and others gave me and don't bring it up as evidence if you can not or will not provide the proof.

And the answer is in my sl profile, it regards all RL questions.

So let me see if I follow Rene and Phil's reasoning ------

Mortvent is into "kinky" things in Second Life

Therefore his opinion matters less

Mortvent is into "kinky" things in Second Life

Therefore he is likely underage

Therefore his opinion matters less.

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Are they really going there?

On the Second Life forum?

And they are getting away with it?

when logic fails there is always insanity and character assassination.

What Rene fails to realize is I don't care, else it wouldn't be in my profile.

And what Phil assumes is up to him, acting on it would be grounds for an harassment AR

Well Phil is proof that we are not being moderated. No one else has ever gone that long throwing direct insults/attacks like that on these boards ... Not that I can remember.

I remember quite a few people around here.

Rene is a newcomer to being a negative poster, If I remember right his previous appearance was pretty innocuous.

Ah but LL has been rather quick to punish those filing the false age reports, to the point of account deletions due to them (those filing false ones get slapped harder than the kids)

Amusing how people are using the new policy on ad-farms as proof that traffic-bots are a ToS violation.

How long have ad-farms been in SL?

When did they become a violation?
Or I should say When do they Become a violation?
Pretty sure that the policy dosn`t go into effect till the 1st


How long have Traffic-Bots been in SL?

When was the policy announced that they are a violation?

Oh wait, there Hasn`t been an announcement yet, so apparently they are NOT a violation yet.

Though they may become one if and when the Lindens decide to make a policy on it.

Till then their just as legal as a a pair of prim shoes.

Ad-farms were NOT a violation till the Lindens SAID they were. Traffic-Bots are NOT unti the Lindens say they are.

They may be Percieved as a vio;lation of a part of the ToS which had been brought up. But untill the Lindens eithe rissue a Policy on it, or start suspending/banning people as a result of AR`s about it. They jus are NOT a violation.

(tried to edit to add the clause from the ToS, but somethin is glitchen in my browser)

Evidence, Mort? Evidence of what? Do you understand the word, "curiosity"?

And since when were teenagers not allowed here or in the main grid?

Think, Mort, think