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Peak amount of land = total amount of land

Ambrosia Messmer
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08-23-2007 14:22
From: Raudf Fox
Although I agree with Calveen Kline, if it didn't bring up the tier change box when the new land was bought, then something is seriously wrong, either way. That warning box is our safety net.


Again useless if lands are added up..

That window will calculate what we all understand as the peak amount of land. ie if you buy and sell 1024, then buy and sell 4096, then buy and sell 512.. it will indicate that your tier fees is the one for the 4096..

But if in fact they add up lands, you become way above the 4096 tier fees... which makes the information window VERY misleading..
Calveen Kline
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08-23-2007 14:28
From: Ambrosia Messmer
That window will calculate what we all understand as the peak amount of land. ie if you buy and sell 1024, then buy and sell 4096, then buy and sell 512.. it will indicate that your tier fees is the one for the 4096..
From: someone

Which is in fact the correct calculation. As far as I've owned land, I've been charged for the maximum amount of land held AT THE SAME TIME, not a combination. Think of it as a thermometer, you get charged for the top temperature in a month, it doesn't matter how many times it goes up and down.
That is, unless LL has decided to pull the rug from under our feet and change the rules,.. again.
Ava Glasgow
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08-23-2007 14:48
Just confirming that monthly tier is based on the MAXIMUM you have held at any one time during the month, not on the TOTAL.

A couple times in the past when I had an extra 512 or 1024 left in my tier allowance, I played with land trading. I would buy a parcel, fix it up (I was so naive :rolleyes: ), and sell it within a day or two. I would do this over and over for weeks. My MAXIMUM held at any one time never went over my set tier level (8K), but my TOTAL would have sent me into the 16K or even 32K tier level.

But that never happened. I was billed at the 8K level, just as my account page said I would be.

I expect professional land traders would go out of business if they had to pay tier on the TOTAL land they had held during the month.

One last fact, and perhaps the most important of all: We have seen much evidence that the LL Customer Service people are not adequately trained. If someone tells you something that REALLY doesn't sound right, try again with someone else.
Raudf Fox
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08-23-2007 15:00
From: Ambrosia Messmer
Again useless if lands are added up..

That window will calculate what we all understand as the peak amount of land. ie if you buy and sell 1024, then buy and sell 4096, then buy and sell 512.. it will indicate that your tier fees is the one for the 4096..

But if in fact they add up lands, you become way above the 4096 tier fees... which makes the information window VERY misleading..


Won't get an argument out of of me! I think that it's a complete mistake on the software's fault and the Linden on the end of the Support ticket, and that the OP gets it fixed NOW. If it was me, I'd have the Billing number on speed dial and not stop dialing until I got the answer I felt is right. And I'd point them to this thread while I was at it. I simply said what I did to point out that it can be taken as that, though. *shrugs*

(And for the unnamed Linden... if you don't know the correct answer, ASK another employee before telling a customer your answer! Believe me, it saves a lot of time and aggravation to do so!)
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Ambrosia Messmer
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08-23-2007 15:24
I've just received a reply. This should be settled tonight. :)

About few comment concerning the person answering the ticket, I don't beleive it's disurved as at least he/she took the time to care and reply wich is greatly appreciated.

Issue was rather for support to leave me like this for a month, without either correcting the situation or tell me that they wont, allowing me to make prompt appropriate choices, as an important issue like this has consequences *added up* every single day that it stays unsolved...
Ambrosia Messmer
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08-23-2007 17:00
Now I am replyed (on which ticket is closed again) that the reason would be that I bought and sold more land 2 days before my billing date, which I did not, transaction that doesn't even exist on my transaction page... only that linden can see it..
Cristalle Karami
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08-23-2007 18:43
From: Ambrosia Messmer
Now I am replyed (on which ticket is closed again) that the reason would be that I bought and sold more land 2 days before my billing date, which I did not, transaction that doesn't even exist on my transaction page... only that linden can see it..
They have had screwy issues with land transactions lately. Put in another ticket and lay out the transactions with numbers and dates and tell them to tell you exactly how you held more than 1/4 sim at any time.
Marty Starbrook
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08-24-2007 04:56
Download your transactions logs NOW!!!!!!!,

Judging by the way SL is playing up these days, its more than likely an assett server issue or a billing issue that you had already bought and sold the land before it picked up either.

Regardless, If you bought a 1024 NOW, and sold it in a hour... then an hour later you bought ANOTHER 1024 and sold it again tommorow...
your land holdings would be 1024 NOT 2048 as you wasnt the owner of both parcels at the same time.
Unless the billing situation is running on SL rather than an accounts system I can only say that theres a possibility that it didnt release your initial ownership and even though you wernt the owner any more the billing system wasnt talking to the assett system therefor indicating an internal LL problem which of course you shouldnt be accountable for.
If there is a transaction delay, which for point when ive bought land I have been able to take ownership and build streight away then LL needs to indicate " Please allow 24 Hours for transactions to process" But a good friend of mine who does deal in land buys and sells large parcels and sims and doesnt have this issue.

To me .... looks like LL fuckup and wont admit it, unless you did hold land somewhere over the 1/4 sim and it sold just after you bought you 1/4
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Marty Starbrook
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08-24-2007 04:57
From: Cristalle Karami
They have had screwy issues with land transactions lately. Put in another ticket and lay out the transactions with numbers and dates and tell them to tell you exactly how you held more than 1/4 sim at any time.


Good point actually ..... look and your land holding details ..... it will tell you what you hold and what you dont hold. Also ask them to state what land was sold and bought when..... also give then the transaction numbers of the transaction for the land purchases and sales.
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EyeInStein Abel
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12-17-2007 14:54
From: Wildefire Walcott


...even if you/the group own no land at all, if you don't manually scale back group tier donations, you'll be charged for your contribution.



I just got caught with this. I think this point is a point that is not stressed enough, or even covered well enough in the FAQ, to the point of being deceptive. Bumping this thread to again stress this point.
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