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Ciaran Laval

Mostly Harmless

Join date: 11 Mar 2007

Posts: 7,951

04-06-2008 13:16

Hold on guys this is a temporary measure. Maybe it's because I've been the other side of the fence but a few hours of inconvenience is not the end of the world, if this was permanent I'd be wailing and gnashing with you but it's a minor issue in the bigger scheme.

Cocoanut Koala

Coco's Cottages

Join date: 7 Feb 2005

Posts: 7,903

04-06-2008 13:21

From: Sling Trebuchet

Depressing. It's LL's alternative to throttling logins.

Back in the "Load testing done, profiles and such still not working" thread:

So for now, Groups and Friends are going to be turned off at peak times.
It's pretty certain that without a considerable beefing up of servers and bandwidth, the next things are going to be Search and Map.

Question: When is Peak Time not Peak Time?
Answer: When it is no longer Peak Time, because people stay out.

That's a brilliantly short-sighted solution to the issue.

Are you saying - does this mean - that many of our problems could be solved if LL would buy more servers and/or bandwidth?

coco

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Alicia Sautereau

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Join date: 20 Feb 2007

Posts: 3,125

04-06-2008 13:22

From: Ciaran Laval

Hold on guys this is a temporary measure. Maybe it's because I've been the other side of the fence but a few hours of inconvenience is not the end of the world, if this was permanent I'd be wailing and gnashing with you but it's a minor issue in the bigger scheme.

sumup

it`s weekend
+60k online (sunday evening, busiest time)
limited staff
limited support
live editing of crucial services
asset server allready failed 2h befor "fuckup time"

any more reasons why not to do it in the weekend?

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Cocoanut Koala

Coco's Cottages

Join date: 7 Feb 2005

Posts: 7,903

04-06-2008 13:24

From: Alicia Sautereau

this is actually acceptable for their customer service as they don`t give a damn about our customers or businesses

I've actually begun - *puts on tin hat* - to think they are trying to get rid of our businesses.

coco

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at Coco's Cottages

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Cocoanut Koala

Coco's Cottages

Join date: 7 Feb 2005

Posts: 7,903

04-06-2008 13:29

It's all a version of one of my favorite jokes:
_____
A man goes to a tailor to try on a new custom-made suit. The first thing he notices is that the arms are too long.

``No problem,'' says the tailor. ``Just bend them at the elbow and hold them out in front of you. See, now it's fine.''

``But the collar is up around my ears!''

``It's nothing. Just hunch your back up a little... No, a little more... That's it.''

``But I'm stepping on my cuffs!'' the man cries in desperation.

``Nu, bend you knees a little to take up the slack. There you go. Look in the mirror--the suit fits perfectly.''

So, twisted like a pretzel, the man lurches out onto the street. Reba and Florence see him go by.

``Oh, look,'' says Reba, ``that poor man!''

``Yes,'' says Florence, ``but what a beautiful suit.''

_____

Problem is, SL is serious about having this joke as their philosophy.

coco

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VALENTINE BOUTIQUE
at Coco's Cottages

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87

Sling Trebuchet

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Join date: 20 Jan 2007

Posts: 4,548

04-06-2008 13:36

From: Ciaran Laval

Hold on guys this is a temporary measure. Maybe it's because I've been the other side of the fence but a few hours of inconvenience is not the end of the world, if this was permanent I'd be wailing and gnashing with you but it's a minor issue in the bigger scheme.

You don't get it

This "temporary" measure is the measure that will be always be put in place any time we get to peak concurrency.
Add to that the already existing stealth "temporary" measures like map being grey.

LL won't reduce the overload by throttling logins.
Their chosen alternative is to throttle services.
The way they seem to be reacting/planning/progressing to the crisis is to throttle everything that does not *directly* bork a money transaction.
Soon they will have to throttle Search.

A year ago, their plan was:
http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/16/contingency-measures-to-ensure-service-as-second-life-grows/

Sling Trebuchet

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Join date: 20 Jan 2007

Posts: 4,548

04-06-2008 13:44

From: Cocoanut Koala

Are you saying - does this mean - that many of our problems could be solved if LL would buy more servers and/or bandwidth?

coco

Shhhhhhhhhh!
It's a secret.

Ann Launay

Neko-licious™

Join date: 8 Aug 2006

Posts: 7,893

04-06-2008 13:50

This info was posted on a 3rd party site:

From: someone

I was just talking to Kyle Linden in concierge chat he said the best thing to do is make tickets with the

summary as Supervisor Attention.

Then say our complaints about whats going on in the ticket.

I did it...you should too.

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~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~

From: someone

I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.

LittleMe Jewell

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Join date: 8 Oct 2007

Posts: 11,319

04-06-2008 14:03

I not only logged a ticket, but also logged tickets using every one of my accounts.

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Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it?
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Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on.
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Solomon Devoix

Used Register

Join date: 22 Aug 2006

Posts: 496

04-06-2008 14:34

From: Sling Trebuchet

You don't get it

This "temporary" measure is the measure that will be always be put in place any time we get to peak concurrency.
Add to that the already existing stealth "temporary" measures like map being grey.

LL won't reduce the overload by throttling logins.
Their chosen alternative is to throttle services.
The way they seem to be reacting/planning/progressing to the crisis is to throttle everything that does not *directly* bork a money transaction.
Soon they will have to throttle Search.

That's because higher numbers are GOD and anything and everything else must be sacrificed FIRST before sacrificing HIGHER NUMBERS.

God forbid they should throttle logins so that things actually work; if they did, they wouldn't be able to say "always higher numbers... look, potential investors/buyers!"

And we can't have THAT, now can we?

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From: Jake Black

I dont know what the actual answer is.. I just know LLs response was at best...flaccid.

From: Solomon Devoix

That's a very good way to put it, and now I know why we still haven't seen the promised blog entry...

...the Lindens are still waiting for their shipment of Lie-agra to come in to firm up their flaccid reasoning.

JamesMichael Morane

Chooses Liberty!!!

Join date: 13 Feb 2008

Posts: 421

04-06-2008 15:20

From: Nika Talaj

borkitude.

/me steals word for Claire's upcoming Official Clairese Dictionary

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Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	04-06-2008 13:16 Hold on guys this is a temporary measure. Maybe it's because I've been the other side of the fence but a few hours of inconvenience is not the end of the world, if this was permanent I'd be wailing and gnashing with you but it's a minor issue in the bigger scheme.
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	04-06-2008 13:21 From: Sling Trebuchet Depressing. It's LL's alternative to throttling logins. Back in the "Load testing done, profiles and such still not working" thread: So for now, Groups and Friends are going to be turned off at peak times. It's pretty certain that without a considerable beefing up of servers and bandwidth, the next things are going to be Search and Map. Question: When is Peak Time not Peak Time? Answer: When it is no longer Peak Time, because people stay out. That's a brilliantly short-sighted solution to the issue. Are you saying - does this mean - that many of our problems could be solved if LL would buy more servers and/or bandwidth? coco _____________________ VALENTINE BOUTIQUE at Coco's Cottages http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87
Alicia Sautereau if (!social) hide; Join date: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,125	04-06-2008 13:22 From: Ciaran Laval Hold on guys this is a temporary measure. Maybe it's because I've been the other side of the fence but a few hours of inconvenience is not the end of the world, if this was permanent I'd be wailing and gnashing with you but it's a minor issue in the bigger scheme. sumup it`s weekend +60k online (sunday evening, busiest time) limited staff limited support live editing of crucial services asset server allready failed 2h befor "fuckup time" any more reasons why not to do it in the weekend? _____________________
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	04-06-2008 13:24 From: Alicia Sautereau this is actually acceptable for their customer service as they don`t give a damn about our customers or businesses I've actually begun - puts on tin hat - to think they are trying to get rid of our businesses. coco _____________________ VALENTINE BOUTIQUE at Coco's Cottages http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	04-06-2008 13:29 It's all a version of one of my favorite jokes: _____ A man goes to a tailor to try on a new custom-made suit. The first thing he notices is that the arms are too long. ``No problem,'' says the tailor. ``Just bend them at the elbow and hold them out in front of you. See, now it's fine.'' ``But the collar is up around my ears!'' ``It's nothing. Just hunch your back up a little... No, a little more... That's it.'' ``But I'm stepping on my cuffs!'' the man cries in desperation. ``Nu, bend you knees a little to take up the slack. There you go. Look in the mirror--the suit fits perfectly.'' So, twisted like a pretzel, the man lurches out onto the street. Reba and Florence see him go by. ``Oh, look,'' says Reba, ``that poor man!'' ``Yes,'' says Florence, ``but what a beautiful suit.'' _____ Problem is, SL is serious about having this joke as their philosophy. coco _____________________ VALENTINE BOUTIQUE at Coco's Cottages http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87
Sling Trebuchet Deleted User Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,548	04-06-2008 13:36 From: Ciaran Laval Hold on guys this is a temporary measure. Maybe it's because I've been the other side of the fence but a few hours of inconvenience is not the end of the world, if this was permanent I'd be wailing and gnashing with you but it's a minor issue in the bigger scheme. You don't get it This "temporary" measure is the measure that will be always be put in place any time we get to peak concurrency. Add to that the already existing stealth "temporary" measures like map being grey. LL won't reduce the overload by throttling logins. Their chosen alternative is to throttle services. The way they seem to be reacting/planning/progressing to the crisis is to throttle everything that does not directly bork a money transaction. Soon they will have to throttle Search. A year ago, their plan was: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/16/contingency-measures-to-ensure-service-as-second-life-grows/
Sling Trebuchet Deleted User Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,548	04-06-2008 13:44 From: Cocoanut Koala Are you saying - does this mean - that many of our problems could be solved if LL would buy more servers and/or bandwidth? coco Shhhhhhhhhh! It's a secret.
Ann Launay Neko-licious™ Join date: 8 Aug 2006 Posts: 7,893	04-06-2008 13:50 This info was posted on a 3rd party site: From: someone I was just talking to Kyle Linden in concierge chat he said the best thing to do is make tickets with the summary as Supervisor Attention. Then say our complaints about whats going on in the ticket. I did it...you should too. _____________________ ~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~ From: someone I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things. Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	04-06-2008 14:03 I not only logged a ticket, but also logged tickets using every one of my accounts. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Solomon Devoix Used Register Join date: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 496	04-06-2008 14:34 From: Sling Trebuchet You don't get it This "temporary" measure is the measure that will be always be put in place any time we get to peak concurrency. Add to that the already existing stealth "temporary" measures like map being grey. LL won't reduce the overload by throttling logins. Their chosen alternative is to throttle services. The way they seem to be reacting/planning/progressing to the crisis is to throttle everything that does not directly bork a money transaction. Soon they will have to throttle Search. That's because higher numbers are GOD and anything and everything else must be sacrificed FIRST before sacrificing HIGHER NUMBERS. God forbid they should throttle logins so that things actually work; if they did, they wouldn't be able to say "always higher numbers... look, potential investors/buyers!" And we can't have THAT, now can we? _____________________ From: Jake Black I dont know what the actual answer is.. I just know LLs response was at best...flaccid. From: Solomon Devoix That's a very good way to put it, and now I know why we still haven't seen the promised blog entry... ...the Lindens are still waiting for their shipment of Lie-agra to come in to firm up their flaccid reasoning.
JamesMichael Morane Chooses Liberty!!! Join date: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 421	04-06-2008 15:20 From: Nika Talaj borkitude. /me steals word for Claire's upcoming Official Clairese Dictionary _____________________ I'm watching FDR on steroids right now.....it's sick, sad. /me sobs.

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