GLIntercept Detection Plug-in for SL

And possibly/probably those same people who get music and programs for free come to Second Life expecting to get their SL items for free. After all its a free game ...

Indeed, and everyone knows that it has been ripped. They just do not care. (Let's not get into the morality of that, really.)

In SL, it is the opposite - things are being ripped and sold for money, and the purchasers rarely know that. In fact, SL consumers are generally opposed to the idea of buying ripped skins and clothing and so on - who is it that makes up the mobs that protest outside ripping emporia? They are not all alts of the content creators concerned. People just do not like it; they have a far more personal relationship with the creator, they respect their rights, they are aware that they aren't some faceless corporation, still have to pay bills and so on.

Hey! I DON'T LIKE YOU GUYS POSTING THE NAME OF IT!

So, let ME post some of the settings for the program!

Ahahahahaha!

Ahhahahahah!

That'll LEARN 'EM!

I care so much about the Magic Word not being said that I have posted some of the config for the program and I am stating that I WILL LAUGH AT YOU ALL IF YOU CRY BECAUSE YOU GET RIPPED OFF!

This one time, my one friend told a "secret" and I was so upset that I just blurted out more info that I claimed I didn't want revealed in the first place! Then I laughed at everyone when they complained.

That will teach THEM!

Ahahahahahahahah!


LOGIC FTL!

SPELLING AND GRAMMAR COURSES FTW!

Maybe

But that community spirit becomes less an less the farther we drift away from SL the Virtual World.

This reminds me, I visited one of the places where a mob had formed over ripped skins. The owner of the store claimed to have paid 80K for the skins. I have no way to know if this is true or not, but supposing it is? Should this person have checked all skin stores to verify that the ones he was purchasing weren't stolen? My suggestion was for him to file an AR on the person who sold him the skins in question (and to take them down also).

From his point of view he had spent 80K and was simply trying to market an investment.

Even if LL were to remove the UUID's, it wouldn't fix this problem as most of those textures will have been re-uploaded and have unique UUID's. And should they remove those, they will simply be re-uploaded again.

Hang on there! Just why do you know how to do this?

If you want to know how to steal textures in Second Life, all you have to do is type "how to steal textures in Second Life" into Google, without quotes. The first link provides instructions tailored to the task of stealing textures in SL.

It's true that some of the folks that want to steal textures won't have the brainpower to follow the instructions but it's probably not a very high percentage.

It's not an obscure secret which is made notably easier to find by having it here.

learned how to do it with a inventory lost and recover a few from created and saved items

and if you hint towards me using it, i wouldn`t be running out of budget and looking for help if i was using it

if textures suck, i don`t buy it, if i like it, i buy it, people might not make a living of texturing but i`ll be damned to steal work they spent hours on creating

simple basic reasoning, don`t do to others you don`t wish to be done to you, under wich stealing falls aswell

Chosen, its not as bad as some "MENTOR" posting the locatin of the Copybot program on the forums...........

I'm not certain I can parse that statement, but I *think* you are saying that you used it to recover a lost texture of your own. Is that accurate? If so, then you've just shown a legitimate reason for this software to exist, and for people to know about it.

Wow, you're the ones who need to be educated if you think security through obscurity works at all (the site for glintercept is http://glintercept.nutty.org/ btw), it doesn't especially when it comes to open source applications or systems that are closed source but give the user enough control as to cause enough problems because the users are normally naive (operating systems for example), so either stick your heads in the sand and continue you're denial or stop giving the OP a hard time for asking an honest question.

Incidentally I have all of the pro content posters from the campaign cycling through on a billboard at my building on SL Volunteer Island W in support of content creators so I agree with the message just not the way that many content creators want it done.

Yes, the cheek especially when he also has the pro content creator billboards at a largely populating location populated by those who help teach new residents the ropes including (to a certain extent) what is considered good practice and polite in SL (i.e. not stealing other people's work)

yes, if you absolutly need it, you can find it with ease, otherwise, it`s like opening the jail door and telling the inmates not to escape cause it`s *wrong*

Indeed. Especially, this myth that the open source client has anything at all to do with content theft. Perhaps folks weren't around when copybot started--long before the client source was opened. And of course texture theft is a particularly easy subset of the copybot capability--one which requires no knowledge of the client-server data stream at all.

I don't happen to subscribe to the theory that no social problem can meet a technical solution (frankly, I don't even know what that *means*; what the hell is technology *for*, then?), but in this case, the only technical solution would be to encrypt the entire signal path from server to the display itself; even the HDCP idiots at Intel knew that ultimately only the courts could protect their kludge and the signals it is supposed to shroud.

On the other hand, mechanically detected digital watermarks would assist in enforcement--given sufficient economic motivation to enforce. That is, US$millions in losses, as ante stakes. Till then the relevant technologies are education, social pressure, and manual detection, however effective any of those may be. I suppose it's a large-scale experiment to see if these will suffice to grow the economics to the point where more automated means are feasible.

Then they wonder why people have little or no repect for mentors?

I'm afraid I don't follow you. What's wrong with what Gordon described? I'm considering the same thing for NCI, actually.

Carl, I assume you mean in terms of putting the signs up, most of the posters may be innapropriate for a pg area (they're artistic nudity but that won't prevent prudes from ARing it and complaining about it) but there is one that's pg suitable though and still gets the message across really well, for awhile that was the only one I used before I changed to rotating between them all.

I think he meant me linking to Glintercept not that I really care what he thinks if he's so closed minded that he can't see that security through obscurity is doomed to failure and it's asinine to think that not linking to it will make any difference at all.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

if this thread is deleted, will it still show in browser searches?

Depends on what you mean, Google search already doesn't index this because it's behind a password barrier and I don't think the forum search will find deleted threads either, that being said there are hundreds of threads that LL would probably delete before this one gets hit.


Not to mention that if mentioning GlIntercept is going to be banned (fat chance) they'd have to ban me for my new sig.

As much as people want it swept under the rug tools like Glintercept are a fact of life and the solution to the content theft problem is education, better tools, and better enforcement. Crippling the client and complaining about tools such as GLI doesn't do any good because there will always be ways to steal content and there will always be people willing to go to those ends and making the job tougher is a hollow argument when the damage isn't being done by people who are testing out these tools and will give up if they no longer work it's being done by people who will see that the tool doesn't work and keep trying until they find a way that does work and then (as they've already done) mass copy our work, replicate/reupload it, and sell it as their own.

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I said to him its was about a mentor posting the location about copybot........never saying anything was wrong with his statements. Look at his realy he didnt say anything of the sort. Infact he agree a degree.

he cleared that point out in his reply.........

You have to remember though that mentors are like any other resident except that we have access to the OI's and HI's after starting so that we can help new residents and we have a restricted access island chain (which is also restricted use) and a group where you're not allowed to talk or a bunch of you're peers will yell at you.


If you want to hold something over my head hold the fact that I'm a content creator who's actively linking to a tool that could be used for content theft even though as pointed out it also has quite a few legitimate uses as well.

I do understand waht your refering too............I was deeply involed in the group awhile back before the downward move disrespect many have for the group now.






Well then again as the leaders of the mentors say don`t have your title on when dealing with issues that might break TOS.


But then again as i recall i never had my tag on when issues happened and i was removed.....I brought this up to the leader ( laughs ) at that time and the i got no reply. oh well then again as i said its the past.......alot of double standards do happen in the group and at the end its who`s ass you kiss as they say is makes them keep you in the group.

Very good point.............