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Ordinal Malaprop
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03-10-2008 15:19
Having a go at people for posting the word "GLIntercept" after all this time, after all of the existing articles on the net, is not "defending" anyone.
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Desmond Shang
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03-10-2008 15:21
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I am not quite sure what you are getting at here.


I'm agreeing with you, in my own way...


For those in the mood for prose: I don't think there is going to be a security-through-obscurity technical way to ever effectively stop the ripping of textures.

However, there are other ways to keep it to a minimum, such as laying into the offenders with the appropriate ban-hammers, &c &c.
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Alicia Sautereau
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03-10-2008 15:23
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Having a go at people for posting the word "GLIntercept" after all this time, after all of the existing articles on the net, is not "defending" anyone.

so "lets just say it on the forums so every one who reads it will know how to steal"?

if "every one knows it as it`s no secret"
CODE

ImageLog
{
LogEnabled = True;

RenderCallStateLog = True;

SaveFormats = TGA;
FlipXAxis = True;
TileCubeMaps= True;

SaveGLTypes = (1D,2D,3D,CUBE);
SavePbufferTex = True;

ImageIcon
{
Enabled=False;
SaveFormat = JPG;
Size = 40;
}
}
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Ordinal Malaprop
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03-10-2008 15:25
No, I am quite sure what _you_ are getting at, I am not that dense! Ms Sautereau. Though actually it was more of a polite request for further exegesis than anything else.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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03-10-2008 15:28
From: Alicia Sautereau
so "lets just say it on the forums so every one who reads it will know how to steal"?

if "every one knows it as it`s no secret"
CODE

ImageLog
{
LogEnabled = True;

RenderCallStateLog = True;

SaveFormats = TGA;
FlipXAxis = True;
TileCubeMaps= True;

SaveGLTypes = (1D,2D,3D,CUBE);
SavePbufferTex = True;

ImageIcon
{
Enabled=False;
SaveFormat = JPG;
Size = 40;
}
}

You're not honestly claiming that that would help _anyone_?

Oh no - look - I'm going to give away some more hidden information. _TestClient_. Mmm hmm. Of course, you'll have to, you know, compile and work out how to use it, and if you had the ability to do that you would have been able to find it in the first place.
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Alicia Sautereau
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03-10-2008 15:32
From: Ordinal Malaprop
No, I am quite sure what _you_ are getting at, I am not that dense! Ms Sautereau. Though actually it was more of a polite request for further exegesis than anything else.

as in "now it`s in the open lets just keep talking about"?

tell me, if no one opens their yap to try and limit the damage to creators with this info on the net NOT to be posted in the most read forum _here_, who will?

LL again show no interrest to do abit of damage control so when you go to the forums, the first thing you see is "how to steal textures", if you wanted to know or not, here it is...

it is as if some one would post a link to a public copy bot file, only then, with auto copy, every one will jump on their toes to have it silenced asap, what`s the difference with this?
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Rene Erlanger
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03-10-2008 15:32
No point panicking.......whatever will be will be!
References to ripping or how to get yourself a copybot are already written on several well known blogging or newsletter sites, the last one being Second Life Herald. It's impossible to muffle all the sources of information.
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03-10-2008 15:33
From: Ordinal Malaprop
You're not honestly claiming that that would help _anyone_?

Oh no - look - I'm going to give away some more hidden information. _TestClient_. Mmm hmm. Of course, you'll have to, you know, compile and work out how to use it, and if you had the ability to do that you would have been able to find it in the first place.

it is available in the download every one knows allready and shown on sl ran sites how to use it
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03-10-2008 15:39
From: Alicia Sautereau
imagine every one knows how to do it by saying "oh glintercept is widely used and commen knowladge" and keep showing people how to rip textures

half those idiots are to dump to figure it out on their own, thankfully, they have this place now showing them how to do it, i doubt the last thing on their minds are copyright mumbojumpbo

but hey, if you all want to dig the economy`s grave, keep telling how to do it, i`m doing scripts so couldn`t give a damn when it really starts


GLIntercept is the number four result on Google if you type in "SL Texture Theft". I suggest you direct your complaints to Google, as would be texture thieves are far, far more likely to use Google than to run across a mention of the program in the SL Forums.

The important point is that texture theft can't be stopped by not saying the Forbidden Word on this forum. There are things that can seriously reduce it:

1) LL taking DCMA notices seriously.
2) LL removing the entire UUID of an offending texture.
3) LL penalizing people who do steal textures/clothing.
3) LL providing the texture and prim metadata that promised they were working on over a year and a half ago.

All four of these have one thing in common--Linden Lab has to act. To make the happen, SL users need to continue to apply pressure on them. Spending time and energy trying to prevent people from saying "GLIntercept" is a distraction.

BTW--one non-Linden thing that can be done, and is being done, are marketing campagins such as the "stealing textures takes the clothes off my back" one currently running.
Ordinal Malaprop
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03-10-2008 15:39
From: Alicia Sautereau
it is as if some one would post a link to a public copy bot file, only then, with auto copy, every one will jump on their toes to have it silenced asap, what`s the difference with this?

Because it _doesn't matter_ what people post on this thread, or on any other thread, or on their blogs. Anyone, literally anyone who knows what google is and wants to know how to rip textures can get the source product (they won't know how to _use_ it necessarily, but that's their problem and not one I am likely to help them with).

At this stage all that this prurience does is make it awkward to talk about the subject.

There _is_ no solution apart from (a) exposing ripping shops publicly and having them shut down by any means necessary and (b) making people aware that yes, things do get ripped in the first place, and you should be careful before buying. Actually, most people are unwilling to buy rips, artists in SL have a much closer relationship with their clients, prices are less ridiculous and loyalty exists.

"LL killing alts based on copyright violations" would be ideal but unfortunately I have absolutely no confidence that that will happen, or that it is at all cared about; the dim college libertarian attitude dominates.
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Alicia Sautereau
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03-10-2008 15:39
let me remind all of you something else,

when the skins of all those designers got ripped by that guy, every one jumped on it to defend them, some even went as far as griefing the land/estate owners for having the thief as renter and now everything is ok with posting how to do it?

shall i link the thread?
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03-10-2008 15:40
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Because it _doesn't matter_ what people post on this thread, or on any other thread, or on their blogs. Anyone, literally anyone who knows what google is and wants to know how to rip textures can get the source product (they won't know how to _use_ it necessarily, but that's their problem and not one I am likely to help them with).

At this stage all that this prurience does is make it awkward to talk about the subject.

There _is_ no solution apart from (a) exposing ripping shops publicly and having them shut down by any means necessary and (b) making people aware that yes, things do get ripped in the first place, and you should be careful before buying. Actually, most people are unwilling to buy rips, artists in SL have a much closer relationship with their clients, prices are less ridiculous and loyalty exists.

and back in your lil circle: "so lets just have the program name posted on the SL forums and not try to have it removed"
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03-10-2008 15:41
From: Alicia Sautereau
and back in your lil circle: "so lets just have the program name posted on the SL forums and not try to have it removed"

My "lil circle"? What does that mean?
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Colette Meiji
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03-10-2008 15:42
From: Alicia Sautereau
let me remind all of you something else,

when the skins of all those designers got ripped by that guy, every one jumped on it to defend them, some even went as far as griefing the land/estate owners for having the thief as renter and now everything is ok with posting how to do it?

shall i link the thread?


I don't think anyone has said stealing is right.

I think people are just saying worrying about the mention in this thread its like closing the barn door after the horses all ran away.
Ordinal Malaprop
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03-10-2008 15:42
From: Alicia Sautereau
when the skins of all those designers got ripped by that guy, every one jumped on it to defend them, some even went as far as griefing the land/estate owners for having the thief as renter and now everything is ok with posting how to do it?

Everybody who wants to already _knows_ how to do it. If they don't, thirty seconds on Google will suffice.
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03-10-2008 15:45
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Everybody who wants to already _knows_ how to do it. If they don't, thirty seconds on Google will suffice.

ROTFLMAO

shit dude what ever... go advertise it to the nubs and see how many more want to know it or just for personal use so people don`t have to spend a fortune on textures and just copy stuff for their own :rolleyes:
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03-10-2008 15:48
From: Colette Meiji
I don't think anyone has said stealing is right.

I think people are just saying worrying about the mention in this thread its like closing the barn door after the horses all ran away.

and the longer it stays, the more people could see it wich can show/tell their friends and so on, stealing for selling or personal use

lets see some texture creators see how happy they are with this posted in here...

contacted who ever i know to have this deleted so done my best
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03-10-2008 15:53
From: Alicia Sautereau
ROTFLMAO

shit dude what ever... go advertise it to the nubs and see how many more want to know it or just for personal use so people don`t have to spend a fortune on textures and just copy stuff for their own :rolleyes:

This irritates me. I have spent a long time talking about the mechanisms by which copyright breach can be effectively policed; not by trying to pretend that the tools are not publicly available, which they are, or that it is not possible, which it clearly is.

And now, apparently, I am some sort of advertisement for content theft because I do not waste my time avoiding naming the Magic Names. The ones which are taboo, though can be found in an instant by anyone with the slightest interest in the topic. Presumably, given that, I must also pretend that content theft is impossible and that there is no problem oh no not in this perfect world, suggesting otherwise would be encouraging copying omg.

Rubbish.
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Rene Erlanger
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03-10-2008 15:55
There is also another aspect, anyone stealing or ripping textures is unlikely to want to be high profile anyway. They'll find a few obscure mall spots to sell their stolen products for nickles and dimes.....some might open a shop on a small piece of land and trade from there. Apart from one well known exposed Skinner, they're unlikely to spend lots of money on Classified adverts or create a customer group......plus new ALL search is a great equaliser and doesn't favour these sort of micky mouse operations.
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03-10-2008 15:55
From: Alicia Sautereau
go advertise it to the nubs and see how many more want to know it or just for personal use so people don`t have to spend a fortune on textures and just copy stuff for their own


I deal with lots of new players in SL, and I think the percentage who are going to go rip off textures is very small. I don't believe newbies as a group are any more likely to steal textures than any other people.
Colette Meiji
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03-10-2008 15:59
A thought just occurred to me.

Music theft is pretty huge, Napster went away, but still people do the peer to peer thing it anyway.

Isn't this basically the same thing?

I wonder how many content creators in SL pay for all their music downloads.
Ordinal Malaprop
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03-10-2008 16:00
From: Colette Meiji
Isn't this basically the same thing?

Do you see a lot of internet shops offering paid downloads for ripped music, without the purchasers being aware that it is ripped?
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03-10-2008 16:02
With Torrent sites, you can pretty much download anything for free including Poser 7, photoshop with crack serial codes, DVD films. music.....you name it!
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03-10-2008 16:03
Indeed.

*pause*
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03-10-2008 16:03
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Do you see a lot of internet shops offering paid downloads for ripped music, without the purchasers being aware that it is ripped?


No You have a point.

Its given away.
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