How many peeping Toms are there in SL?

We might be being a little paranoid here. I'm assuming this is in referrence to the ID/Age verification that we all know is coming to SL. Should you, as the object of the peepling tom, be AR'd by that person becuse you "offended" him/her and LL took it serious to enough to investigate I'm sure they would see that you were where you were (persumingly in your own home) and peeper was somewhere else entirely. I wouldn't think the investigation would go beyond that.

Let 'em look........I'm not going to adjust my habits because of some weirdo who cams around the grid. He/she can't harm me, they can't see the real me and I refuse to let them annoy me. It's an avatar for god's sake.......it's not my neighbor looking inside my living room or watching a video cam he/she installed in my shower.

I do think people should be AR'd for such behaviour........but beyond that it's nothing at all to worry about. As someone else said..........."I'm going outside for a ciggy"

I think Adz is a child in SL (sorry if I'm wrong), so what he meant was the implications of someone peeping on him while he's changing in his own home are more than if it's some creep playing with himself while he watches an adult avatar try on clothes. He would have all the discomfort associated with the latter, plus the implications of pedophilia, and the potential for getting AR'ed for ageplay (wrongly accused, of course, but it's not like he gets a trial or anything). He could lose his account over it, when he did nothing wrong, although I would hope that LL would incvestigate a situation like this very carefully before making a decision. Children in SL are targets for griefing more so than adults. IMHO, as creepy and messed up as the OP's situation is, someone peeping in on a child avatar is about 100x worse.

Trout Recreant, right. Thanks.

*shudder*

Sorry friends, but this is why folks need to learn how to change clothes without getting naked. Folders/outfits are your friend!

As much as this is going to sound very judgemental I got to say. If you are playing as a child in SL due to roleplaying (or for whatever reason) then you must know you are on very thin ice.........it's like playing with a fused and armed bomb. You must be at least 18 years years old to be on the grid LEGALLY. And because of that you need to make sure your child avatar acts within the bounds of the TOS, CS and any US laws applicable to child/adult interaction. T A very thin line..............and it's a choice made as an adult. If someone peeks on you without your consent, AR that person. As long as you did not invite the actions you are safe.........there are logs saved to disks by LL. They will see if you acted correctly or not.

If being a child in SL makes you uncomfortable........stop being a child. If it does not, then go and have fun. No one twisted anyone's arm to be who they choose to be in SL. Live with your choices.

Well, it does.

I knoe Adz is on the grid legally, an alla dat. I s'pect what he was talkin about is how if he's cammed in by someone, an they see him in the altogether while changing (or my fave is when my skirt dun rez!), they can AR *him* even though *they* were the peeper and were where they should not have been.



Actually, given how there is a "fused bomb" to it all, it is quite likely dat he could be ARed simply for being nude. I dunno if it'd stick - but in a lot of ways it could depend on who is working the lines dat day, ya know?

Mari

I know several who are SL Children and a fine group, me included of course hehe, thing is we have to go out of our way to prove almost daily that we are what we say. We arent 'uncomfortable' its those who simply find us outside their comfort zone.
So your saying we, who have done nothing wrong must change? Im missing the logic here. Or someone is hehe

As far as the verification, since it is tied into wanting to visit places that are flagged I cannot verify, I would be saying I wish to visit those areas, which I dont but if I verify to be a good lil av I would be stating something I cant accept.

Clothing/avatar folders are indeed your friend, but not a guaranty. I have two costuemes I sometimes change into, and going from the toga to the modern suit leaves me nude from the waist down for several seconds - the pants just rezz last, no helping it.

OK, I put the pants on first, then do the folder, but a woman or child trying on several different outfits or combinations, for instance I can see how that would become a problem. Lots of women are quite self-conscious, virtual pixel representtion or no - and certainly no child av needs some self-appointed nosy parker looking for an excuse to persecute him/her.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it's your choice to be a child avi. You did it willingly. You know that it's a "dangerous" avi to be. I didn't make the laws or rules........neither did you. But we all have to abide by them if we want to continue in SL. You, being a child avi (you too, Mari) have a tougher time due to the choice you've made and continue to make. I have no problems with that.................but I am very tired of the child avis screaming that the whole world is against them. We are not against you...........but we are not necessarily overly sympathic either.

That's my logic...............and if it's judgemental, so be it. I'm no child avi and have no desire to be one. I won't go to your places knowingly. But it seems all you "children" come to my places at will. Fine, don't expect me to interact with you though...........because no matter what you say, I think there's more than an even chance that you are NOT what you tell me you are. Simple enough?

I'd say there's more'n an even chance dat you ain't, neither.

The way I figgure it, I prove myself with my actions.

Now then, dis was a thread on peeping toms, ya? *Not* kids? Good. Have fun, everybuggy!

Mari

I didnt really see, or hear, any screaming going on.

I was a child av before we had a name in SL. I will continue being such. I will have no problems with LL simply because I know what they want.

I wouldnt dream of judging your av but it seems you are very quick at judging others who you do not understand. Thats your choice of course but please dont try to convince me you are being logical

I also am very tired of people telling me to change, hell Ive been a child in SL going on 4 years now And I should change? hehe

Oh poo, you're right Mari !!!


bubye y'all

When I do a larger Woman's shape I try to make it look natural. Women of all shapes and sizes can be pretty.

All this Child Av discrimination stuff needs to stop.

And people need to stop with the assuming Child Avs are RL Children.

Thats really silly, its HIGHLY unlikely underaged people who have snuck onto the grid are playing on Child Avs. They DONT WANT to be considered children. After all they have wrongly decided they are grown up enough to see what an 18 year old can. They want to be seen as grown-up.

People who cling to this Child Avs must be RL children nonsense are purely reacting from internal feelings and personal stereotypes.

I get that Most people are freaked by sexual agepla. But its banned, and the Lindens have basically endorsed spying on people and reporting them over doing it.

That should be enough.

Leave the non-sexual child Avs alone.

QFT

Being a a part-time SL naturist, I'm not too bothered about peeing toms, but I suppose it's more about the act of intrusion than what they might see. However, I'd guess that these peeping toms are the sort who wander around wearing enormous freebie strap-ons, so it might be worth panning out your camera to get a look at them and retaliate with embarrassing questions like 'is that real or did you get it in a joke shop? LOL!!!

Regarding the peeping Tom thing - I tend to change my clothing from one thing to another - without getting nekkie. Sometimes I might accidentally take all my stuff off ... but for the most part, that's the way I change clothing.

Regarding the child avie thing - I think its fun pretending to be a child! Children are so free ... and if someone wants to roleplay that freedom ... I say go for it! For those who take it to the place that it shouldn't go - well, I stay away from that issue ... I don't condone that ... But for innocent fun - its a wonderful thing to do. There are some adorable child avies out there ... and for fun, I've played someone's child (no - you sickos - it was for fun =P). I had two brothers and one sister. We all purchased the Scribbles avatars - not only were they cute, but we added to them with shoes and hats ... and I had a little flag someone gave me to warn people of my presence "down below" because I was only knee-size height. Our favorite role-play thing to do was to ride on the dog our "dad" had, we had our own kid sized house with beds and stuff that we made ... each of us had our own dog ... My "Faith" loved being shot out of a cannon to the other end of the sim ... She had to pee in the ocean because there was no indoor potty ... we just did generally stupid silly things - and they were fun/funny ... I can't imagine anyone having an issue with fun of that nature. If they do, then its in their own head =P ... Banning certain types of avatars is not the answer to making people who "abuse" certain things behave. Reporting people, however, who abuse in different situations, does help, however.

I've an active imagination, and enjoy role-playing "parts" - one of my favorite things in SL. Where else can you go to dances in Hawaiin shorts wearing big black buckle shoes and black knee socks?

Regarding the "watching while you build" thing ... I've stood and watched others build too - its fascinating to see how some people do things. Some people stop and watch me build when I build too - their cameras focused on what I'm doing. Sometimes its how we learn - curiosity in that regard is a good thing. There is the possibility there was a language barrier, so the person didn't talk ... or - they were just plain nosey and went afk, lol.

So - don't let those little things get to you when they happen. Mute a person that talks to you in a way you don't want to be talked to. Ban them - if they harrass you - A/R them. But - its your responsibility to first let them know you don't want to be talked to in that manner. I have no problem telling people - "Hey - get out of my no zone ... I don't like talk like that, if you don't mind." Many times - they apologize. For those who don't - I mute them. Its a very simple thing to do!

Yes!

They also seem to have an awful lot of fun doing great stuff some adults seem to feel funny about doing 'at their age'

As for peeping Tom, Dick and Harries, away with ye, ye freakz!