US Goverment coul possible be able to shut down internet

A new bill would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data

S773 makes no attempt to outline and describe what form of emergency would trigger the use of these broad new powers to limit communication, nor any means by which it could be reviewed by anyone outside the executive branch. The bill also proscribes that the executive branch will perform periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s773/show

hmm....

I dunno why but I see this... the girls wont go to bed... Obama says time for bed and flips the "interenet" switch....

Of course, I wonder where the area for private internet comes in to play, LL I assume would be one, right?

But hey- no we are not going socialist/fascist.. heck no - yeah, indeed, "Yes, we can" Thank you ever so much...

don't think he is stupid!

Don't worry, someone will find a way to blame this on LL.

Oh, spare me! We all got through the Bush years somehow without turning into paranoid schizophrenic raving lunatics, which is what all the Obama Hater Club is starting to sound like.

This part is debatable - as witness our current state -

LOL a valid point, Amaranthim! Seeing ALL kinds of paranoid!

*Starting?*

I don't hate Obama.... I didn't hate bush either, I actually liked him and thought he had brass balls.

all I know is now we are being taxed to death and everyday cities, counties and states come up with more ways to tax us.


I'm sure this bill will also include some taxing for us as well.

Technically, the government could "flip a switch" and turn off snail mail, or close airports, or bring any number of systems to a screeching halt.

Would the government do so without some pretty serious reasons? Not bloody likely. Have they done this? I think the last time was 9/11 by grounding air traffic. For pretty good reasons.

Maybe the folks in Washington should just hand the reigns over to all the armchair critics to see who can do a better job of running things.

Just sayin'

/me wishes people would look up the word "socialism"

Oo

For the whole world?

Pep (Or just the small bit that includes LL?)

Oo

I don't know our goverment is pretty wishywashy now if you ask me.

The problem is there is no definition of which cases could result in the shutting down, and no the internet was not down 9-11 just traffic control.
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I was online that day watching the news and on AOL.

No time did it go down for me.

Private networks, traffic control, power grids etc. These small networks shoudl be controled in the event of national security.

The problem is these areas are not defined and it is a broad area this bill covers and there is no explained areas of any instance the "internet" could or would be shut down for.

The bill while I can understand its intent, needs to be defined and it is not.

I actually hate them both, but that is simply because any more I hate all politicians and do not trust any of them even a tiny bit.

Here ya go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Note the countries mostly known for socialism degenerate into communism - people have been searching for utopia since before that word was coined - nice idea- communality, community, the good of the many - but in the end just a dream.

The key here being people - we may be somewhat herd animals but we are also predators - while we may be well intentioned... it ultimately comes to survival of the fittest and power. Some crave power over others and will do whatever it takes to have it. And that is where all the sweet dreams of share and share alike go to hell -

And the problem with this is??????

I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I am an independent. Every time I turn around I see people bashing the Democratic party as being the "tax and spend party." Well duh.

There are things that the Federal Government is responsible for doing. There are things that the Federal Government is not responsible for doing. Same applies at the state, county, and city levels of Government. Those things which we do expect the Government to do, must be paid for. Currently we are at war in two countries. We are spending millions of dollars - in borrowed funds - on a daily basis funding these two wars. We have to pay interest on those borrowed funds.

Since the creation of the Department of Homeland Security after September 11th, 2001, there have been many federally mandated programs created without any opportunity to refuse, producing federally mandated requirements that must be met by all cities and counties in the United States, with absolutely no funding sources provided to pay for such things. All of this stuff costs money. If the taxpayers are not taxed to pay to fund these programs, we will pay through the nose and pay dearly for these programs with more and more debt piled on top of the debt we already owe, plus interest payments also piling up on such debt, further sending this country into bankruptcy.

Combine that with the fact that we are addicted to credit, and in fact it has been determined that in order to deal with the current economic problems, we must get credit back on track and flowing again, enabling more and more borrowing and subsequent interest payments, further dragging the American citizen into the morass of debt and interest payments making our ability to get ahead even less effective, and you have a recipe for disaster.

So...... More taxes? That's the best thing that can happen to this country, bring on the taxes. Since nobody's willing to let go their death grip on their sacred cow spending programs that we can't afford.

The "Why" i am sure will have me wondering, but the "How" is really what has me curious now..

How the heck do you shut down the internet to one country??Let alone not affect the world at the same time??

The most recent (I think) version of the bill says:



The bill was sponsored by Olympia Snow, a Republican from Maine, and John Rockefeller, a Democrat from West Virginia. I haven't read any response from Obama or others in the White House about the bill's language. I know Obama has talked about the need for executive authority in the case of a "cyberattack". From the bill's findings:



But I don't know if he is in agreement with the specifics of this bill (the part about shutting down the internet has already been rewritten once, with the first version found to be unworkable). Does anyone here know?

Yes, I would like to know this to.. But when I read about this I thought about the Aussies not allowing SL or WOW or such.. (im not sure where they are on that)

That was my point in the thread, not to get into a political discussion on obama .

/me glances at RockandRoll Michigan.....re our conversation the other night, about censorship. Your predictions coming true sooner than I thought, eh?

/me looks for burqah shop.

so⋅cial⋅ism [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]

–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

In just the last year the government is now a "stakeholder" in major banks and the auto industry, and has targeted certain private industries for increased punative taxation. Now the government wants to control our health and well being. As far as capital goes, I think the "distribute the wealth" statement covered the government's intentions clearly.

The media has all but declared capitalism dead, and we are on the march toward socialism.

What's ironic is that a small country like Latvia has been seeing thier economy grow due to privatization of formerly state-owned industry. They are moving toward a more capitalist society, and prospering for it. The U.S. could learn a lesson from Latvia.

Anyway, someone asked for us to look up socialism. There it is, and we're heading toward it like a runaway frieght train whose engineers don't want the passengers to see the looming disaster in the distance.

So far as I have been able to determine, there has never been, at any time, a communist state or organization larger than a few hundred people. Socialists, plenty of them, but none of them have qualified as communist by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think it's possible.

I hate that it has to be based on credit pullling us out..

We buy goods that are made like crap that last a year to 5 years then we end up spending again..disposable junk or because it has went out of style..

the reason we don't have cars that will get 100 miles to the gallon or cars that will last 20 years or more nowdays is because if we don't spend our dollar turns to crap..

so in turn we end up using more resources than any other country in the world so we can keep up..

savings are up and spending is way down..and thats about how it's gonna stay..

they say housing is up.well sure ..when you have 1 out of 86 houses in foreclosure there will always be someone to step in and buy a house at foreclosure price...

unemployment is down..no it only looks like it is down..because all those people we just kicked off unemployment ..we don't have to count them in the numbers anymore..so less people are losing jobs..but how many are getting new jobs or jobs equal to what they lost?
if credit is the way to fix it then banks getting tight on credit seem to be the problem..

but then again they were the start of the problem in the fiorst place..
they screw us over then get a bailout then get to call the shots on the people paying the bailout..

Bleh..i just wish we would have went in a direction to become more self reliant of a country building up quality assets instead of one that lives beyond it's means..

Given the choice between a corporate government and socialism, I'd definitely pick socialism.
Hell, I'd pick either socialism or communism over democracy or republicism any day, if only socialism and communism only actually worked.