How to know my income history ?
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Jolly Heron
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Join date: 18 Apr 2007
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01-16-2008 00:27
I can't find where I can know my income history from. Such as ammount, in or out, stipend or income, from or to whom, time, date, ... . How to check this?
By the way, how to check other resident's? For example, if someone wants to sell L$ to me, I have to make sure there's no fraud.
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Theo Kline
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Join date: 31 Dec 2006
Posts: 224
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01-16-2008 00:32
Transaction history when you are logged into 'My Account' https://secure-web7.secondlife.com/account/transactions.phpYou can't check other residents info like that. I think it's best just to buy your lindens from SL themselves or even SLexchange.com. Safer for you in the long run.
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Joseph Worthington
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Join date: 29 Jul 2006
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01-16-2008 00:32
On the SL webpage, click "My Account". On your account page, on the right hand side should be a column with links to other pages, including Transaction History.
Hope that helps.
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Cristalle Karami
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Join date: 4 Dec 2006
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01-16-2008 00:33
From: Jolly Heron I can't find where I can know my income history from. Such as ammount, in or out, stipend or income, from or to whom, time, date, ... . How to check this?
By the way, how to check other resident's? For example, if someone wants to sell L$ to me, I have to make sure there's no fraud. You cannot check other people's balances. You can only check your own through your account page on the secondlife.com website. Look in the upper right hand corner of the page and click My Account. Then go to the sidebar and find the Transaction History. Mind you, it only keeps one month of transactions.
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Beezle Warburton
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Join date: 10 Nov 2006
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01-16-2008 00:34
From: Jolly Heron By the way, how to check other resident's? For example, if someone wants to sell L$ to me, I have to make sure there's no fraud. If anyone is trying to get you to buy Lindens -- run. Like Theo said, the only safe sources are SLExchange or the Linden exchange.
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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01-16-2008 05:45
Transaction History for the last 30 days are on the "My Account" page of this website. It shows all the purchases, sales and gifts that you have done, including objects that you have given or recieved. There is also a set of monthly account statements available, that just lists the cash flow into and out of SL. his will have your L$ purchaseds on Lindex, membership ffes paid, and any cash-outs if you take funds out of your USD balance and back into the real world, via Pay Pal or a check. Those reports go all the way back to the inception of your account, but they do not list individual in-world transactions. It is NOT a good idea, EVER, to buy L$ from individuals in-world. Buy from Lindex, SL Exchange, or some other major, well-recognized source. Buying L$ from an individual is a very likely way to end up receiving stolen funds and having your account locked, and the Lindens will dock you 150% of the suspect transactions if they catch it, and the source was not legitimate.
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Phil Deakins
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Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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01-16-2008 06:00
There is nothing at all wrong with buying L$ from someone, and no reason to doubt it. Let the other person give you the L$ and then give them the money. If it's a stranger, it should never be the other way round, but if it's a good friend, friends trust each other.
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Jessica Elytis
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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01-16-2008 07:28
From: Phil Deakins There is nothing at all wrong with buying L$ from someone, and no reason to doubt it. Let the other person give you the L$ and then give them the money. If it's a stranger, it should never be the other way round, but if it's a good friend, friends trust each other. I'd amend this with whoever instigates the transaction should pay fist. A person "advertising" they want to sell L$ should transfer L$ prior to USD payment. A person "advertising" they want to buy L$ should pay the USD prior to the L$ transfer. Though I have to say that with the amount of scammers in SL, there is indeed reason to at least question the veracity of such. Buying L$ off of an avatar that is 2 days old is very fishy, imo. Buying from someone who has been here for years, and has a buisness is less risky. Lindex is still the best option. Remember the old adage: "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't." ~Jessy
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Phil Deakins
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01-16-2008 07:33
I don't see any reason to buy from or sell to strangers. The only way that I would trust it is to receive the money/L$ first. But friends are different, of course.
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Beezle Warburton
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Join date: 10 Nov 2006
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01-16-2008 12:06
From: Phil Deakins I don't see any reason to buy from or sell to strangers. The only way that I would trust it is to receive the money/L$ first. I wouldn't even then, it's one of the griefers new "toys" to pass around bad Lindens and see how many people can get banned. Even old timers have been known to snap and become griefers, and what better way to express your discontent with the world than to pass around "bad" Lindens and see how many people get banned along with you.
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Phil Deakins
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01-16-2008 12:21
Alright, I give in. What are bad lindens?
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Bradley Bracken
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Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-16-2008 12:22
From: Phil Deakins Alright, I give in. What are bad lindens? They steal your candy.
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Beezle Warburton
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01-16-2008 12:48
From: Phil Deakins Alright, I give in. What are bad lindens? Linden Dollars obtained through illegal means -- either passed around inworld, or sold to suckers on eBay. Once LL finds bogus Linden Dollars, they lock the account of anyone that's touched them, then take them out of the system, along with a 50% recovery fee from whoevers account they happen to be in at the time. http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/01/02/use-caution-in-dealing-with-third-party-l-sites/
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Phil Deakins
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01-16-2008 12:56
Got it. Stolen.
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Oryx Tempel
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Join date: 8 Nov 2006
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01-16-2008 13:06
Right, but my buddy can still say "hey I'm a newbie and I can't buy a lot of L$." If he's a good RL buddy, he can either hand me the cash in RL or send it PayPal or whatever, and then I can send him L$ from my account. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Beezle Warburton
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01-16-2008 13:06
From: Phil Deakins Got it. Stolen. Really not worth getting an account lock and a 50% extra penalty to go through anyone but a reputable source. Even so, as a vendor, I take the risk that someone will buy stuff with illicit Lindens.
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Phil Deakins
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01-16-2008 13:16
I can't see LL penalising sellers of goods if an item is paid for with stolen L$. Otherwise we'd heard a lot about it, and itt's not as though the L$ needs to be recovered. I am sure that they will only penalise the buyers of stolen L$. After all, how can they tell which specific L$ was used to pay for the goods 
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Johan Durant
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Join date: 7 Aug 2006
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01-16-2008 13:22
Yeah, the account lock could only make sense for the immediate buyer of stolen money (and/or seller of lindens to someone who paid with stolen money.) Beyond that the lindens are just computer data, not physical notes that can be tracked.
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Beezle Warburton
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01-16-2008 13:32
SECOND LIFE, Jan 3 (Reuters) Linden Lab issued a warning on Wednesday that game currency purchased from sources other than Linden’s own LindeX exchange could be subject to confiscation and heavy fines, if the company determines the currency originated from a criminal enterprise. ... “As a penalty for participation in such fraud or violation, Linden Lab will reduce the Linden Dollar balance of the buying Second Life account (and/or any Second Life accounts owned or operated by, or affiliated with, the owner of the buying account), by any amount up to 150% of the amount of Linden Dollars involved in the transaction,” the company said on its website. Full Article: http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2008/01/03/linden-targets-buyers-of-fraudulent-currency/--- From knowledge base: Why was my account put on hold? * Someone may have phished or stolen your account. * One or more of your transactions may involve fraudulent Linden dollars. You should be aware that there are other exchanges for L$ that are not affiliated with Linden Lab in any way. We have no control over these exchanges and are not responsible for their activities. * Delinquent account or Terms of Service violations. Account delinquency or violations of the Terms of Service may also cause cause us to hold your account. To correct this, contact billing or support. https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/security.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4555
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Phil Deakins
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01-16-2008 13:55
From: Beezle Warburton * One or more of your transactions may involve fraudulent Linden dollars. You should be aware that there are other exchanges for L$ that are not affiliated with Linden Lab in any way. We have no control over these exchanges and are not responsible for their activities. The quoted part of the article is in accordance with my reasoning, and this quoted reason why an account could be put on hold confirms it. It addresses the buying of stolen L$, and not what happens to them as they are distributed through SL.
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Beezle Warburton
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01-16-2008 14:10
From: Phil Deakins The quoted part of the article is in accordance with my reasoning, and this quoted reason why an account could be put on hold confirms it. It addresses the buying of stolen L$, and not what happens to them as they are distributed through SL. "One or more of your transactions may involve fraudulent Linden dollars." Doesn't seem to say much about the source of the $L, whether from exchange or fellow resident, merely that they're fraudulent. The second half is just a disclaimer that it sucks to be you if they came from a fraudulent source.
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Ceera Murakami
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01-16-2008 14:15
Based on posts from various people that have actually been stuck with this penalty, it usually has to involve a large single transaction or a whole lot of smaller transactions that add up to something hefty. If someone drops a stolen L$ 5 in your free money raffle ball, no one will squeak. If they drop 5 million L$ on you though... Lockup city.
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Beezle Warburton
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01-16-2008 14:21
From: Ceera Murakami Based on posts from various people that have actually been stuck with this penalty, it usually has to involve a large single transaction or a whole lot of smaller transactions that add up to something hefty. If someone drops a stolen L$ 5 in your free money raffle ball, no one will squeak. If they drop 5 million L$ on you though... Lockup city. Some bozo shut down the SL bank I was with for a couple of days this way -- got the owners account locked until he could clear things up with LL. There was similar unpleasantness with one of the Furnations sims at some point, as well.
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Erin Talamasca
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01-16-2008 14:51
From: Phil Deakins I can't see LL penalising sellers of goods if an item is paid for with stolen L$. Otherwise we'd heard a lot about it, and itt's not as though the L$ needs to be recovered. I am sure that they will only penalise the buyers of stolen L$. After all, how can they tell which specific L$ was used to pay for the goods  Nope, sorry - I got banned because someone bought one of my items with 'bad money'. I tried and tried to log in, and couldn't figure out what the problem was - the error messages were different to what I'd seen before when SL was down (although nothing as useful as "You've been banned, sorry"  . I phoned up LL to find out what was going on. "Yeah, your account's been suspended" they told me. Cue pants-wetting time. They asked me if I knew Avatar X, who had paid me L$600 on a certain date. I didn't, but all my vendors email me when I make a sale so I searched my gmail and came up with the name - sure enough, they'd bought one of my products for that amount. Apparently the money they'd used had been stolen. Since there's no way to know whether I was 'in on it' or not, of course they just stopped everyone who had any dealings with that money. But, and perhaps this is a reason you should hear lot more about it, there was no explaination as to why my account had been suspended. It just was. I was left thinking I might have lost everything and had no idea why. Fortunately, LL just took the L$600 out of my balance ("Take it! Take it!"  and restored my account.
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Phil Deakins
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01-16-2008 15:11
From: Beezle Warburton "One or more of your transactions may involve fraudulent Linden dollars."
Doesn't seem to say much about the source of the $L, whether from exchange or fellow resident, merely that they're fraudulent.
The second half is just a disclaimer that it sucks to be you if they came from a fraudulent source. That quote shouldn't be taken in isolation, imo. The sentence after it is also part of it. However, in view of Erin's post, I withdraw my opinion  What would be *really* bad, and way out of order, is if they took the additional 50% from people like Erin.
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