what causes "group liabilities"?
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Karen Palen
That pushy American Broad
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01-03-2008 01:51
From: Tegg Bode I suppose if you wanted to scam this one would have 2 blocks of land they keep selling at say $1 and rebuying at $800 eachtime sucking $800 Linden from the 400 group members, who may not notice the $2 each time. Then again if you have a group of 400, you are probably offering something they all want anyways, and hence making more profit than $800L is worth in effort. Lets see L$800 is about US$2.50. No I really do NOT think it would be worth my time. But then I know I am pretty weird about such things LOL
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Lear Cale
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01-03-2008 07:25
From: Chris Norse I have bought lots of land for groups, using the "Buy for Group" button. The money always came out of my "bank" and was never paid back by automated means by the group. Is it possible that all group roles were set not to pay group liabilities? Because other than that, so far, I haven't seen anyone suggest any way for a group to *get* any liabilities other than charges for the listing (which appears as a separate line item). Thanks!
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Chris Norse
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01-03-2008 10:02
From: Lear Cale Is it possible that all group roles were set not to pay group liabilities? Because other than that, so far, I haven't seen anyone suggest any way for a group to *get* any liabilities other than charges for the listing (which appears as a separate line item).
Thanks! Listings are the only liabilities I have ever seen. I suppose that a group item that pays out could lead to a liability, but all the ones I ever used took money directly from me, not the group. That would be more of a question for the scripters, but since the money being paid out is paid out now, I don't see how it would work with the liability hitting once a week.
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Karen Palen
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01-03-2008 11:37
From: Raymond Figtree This might explain why I spent more time this week with a talking robotic dragon than with my wife. Oh dear, I just realized that *I* am exchanging comments with a hamster too! Time for "Shady Acres Pushy Old Ladies Home"? OMG!
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Chris Norse
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01-03-2008 11:40
From: Tegg Bode I suppose if you wanted to scam this one would have 2 blocks of land they keep selling at say $1 and rebuying at $800 eachtime sucking $800 Linden from the 400 group members, who may not notice the $2 each time. Then again if you have a group of 400, you are probably offering something they all want anyways, and hence making more profit than $800L is worth in effort. Unless the group members were donating the money to the person buying the land, this wouldn't work. Buying land for group takes the money from the person actually hitting the buy land button, not the group as a whole.
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Lear Cale
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01-03-2008 12:13
Thanks, Chris -- object payments by an object owned by the group would probably diminish any group assets. Perhaps it could also cause a liability (debt). Worth thinking about, anyway!
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Bloodsong Termagant
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Join date: 22 Jan 2007
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01-14-2008 09:22
has this changed in the past update or so?
its only in the past 3 weeks that i have noticed group liabilities showing up in my transaction histories. these are from groups that i have been in for several months and never saw any liabilities (let alone dividends ;) ) from. i mean, did an update just turn all those 'share group liability' checkboxes on or what?
its not a big deal, since it is only 1 or 2 ells a week. but it makes you wonder what's going on that you don't know about.
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Atashi Toshihiko
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01-14-2008 09:26
From: Lear Cale Thanks, Chris -- object payments by an object owned by the group would probably diminish any group assets. Perhaps it could also cause a liability (debt). Worth thinking about, anyway! Group owned objects cannot pay out money -- a group owned object cannot have debit permissions. So it's not possible for group members to be hit for liabilities due to objects. -Atashi
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Lear Cale
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01-16-2008 10:24
From: Atashi Toshihiko Group owned objects cannot pay out money -- a group owned object cannot have debit permissions. So it's not possible for group members to be hit for liabilities due to objects.
-Atashi Thanks for clarifying that, Atashi. 
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Bloodsong Termagant
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01-21-2008 10:00
i still say something is screwy.
i got another liability from another group a couple of weeks ago. contacted the group owner, told him that it happens when group-owned land is listed in search places. he told me... the group doesnt own ANY land. so that isn't possible.
last week, i had two group liabilities again. are you guys sure you're not getting charged little liabilities you haven't noticed every week or so?
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Atashi Toshihiko
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01-21-2008 12:34
You can find out one way or another if the group owns land, just look at the group info and go to the land tab. It will list any and all plots of land the group owns, and you can teleport to each one and check in about land / options to see if it is checkmarked for show in search.
If you are getting hit for liabilities for a group that doesn't own any land, I'd contact LL and ask the what its for. As far as I am aware, there is no other way for a group to have liabilities, aside from showing land in search.
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Shauna Daviau
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01-21-2008 13:40
I had the same thing happen, but for a group that I didn't need to be in anymore. So, I left it. No more liabilities 
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Lear Cale
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01-24-2008 13:39
From: Bloodsong Termagant i still say something is screwy.
i got another liability from another group a couple of weeks ago. contacted the group owner, told him that it happens when group-owned land is listed in search places. he told me... the group doesnt own ANY land. so that isn't possible.
last week, i had two group liabilities again. are you guys sure you're not getting charged little liabilities you haven't noticed every week or so? It happens when the group *itself* is listed in search, having nothing to do with land. This is a L$30 charge per month, distributed among the group members. It's not listed as a "group liability" line item in the group's accounting, but it looks the same when the members get charged. Members can also be charged if the group owns land, paying the land tier. So you might want to contact the group owner and tell him or her to either pony up the $30/mo to list the group in the search, or to uncheck the "list group" box, or else to uncheck the "members share liabilities" box.
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