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Melita Magic
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08-03-2009 11:44
From: Holocluck Henly
Their impression is they're also engaging in fetishism versus recapturing childhood.


?

How did you mean that?
Taff Nouvelle
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08-03-2009 16:30
I think from talking to SL children, that the majority are doing what we all want to do at some time, throwing out adult worries and problems and having fun, Have you never seen a child engrossed in a game and thought how good it was to be that age.

As far as the therapeutic angle is concerned, I have also met some SL children who had a poor childhood, bad parenting for instance, and enjoy being part of a loving family that is as close to real as possible.

This applies to adults as well, I know a number who just want to be part of a family, possibly because they do not have a RL family for one reason or another.

The child sex thing keeps rearing its head in comments, I knew of 2 girls who were involved in that side when I first joined SL, 3 years ago, I have not heard of any in the last 2 years. Maybe that is because I dont go looking for it :-)
Briana Dawson
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08-03-2009 17:38
From: Melita Magic
?

How did you mean that?

Exactly how he stated it, in that way that has us both going "oh wow, did he just say all child avatars are playing child AVs because of a personal 'fetish' of some sort regarding playing a child av in SL?"
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Briana Dawson
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08-03-2009 17:50
From: Taff Nouvelle

The child sex thing keeps rearing its head in comments, I knew of 2 girls who were involved in that side when I first joined SL, 3 years ago, I have not heard of any in the last 2 years. Maybe that is because I dont go looking for it :-)


No. I think it is because in the past 2 years the child-av-sex thing has really blown up all over the grid and all the smart ones went into hiding inside private sims where they should have stayed in the first place instead of traipsing around the grid trying to make a kid avatar look sexy and acceptable.
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Julianne Kaestner
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08-03-2009 18:15
From: Briana Dawson
Exactly how he stated it, in that way that has us both going "oh wow, did he just say all child avatars are playing child AVs because of a personal 'fetish' of some sort regarding playing a child av in SL?"


If that was what he said, it would be incorrect.

But that isn't what he said.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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08-03-2009 18:21
From: Melita Magic
?

How did you mean that?
Let's just say... Some diapers and pacifiers are RLV enabled. =^-^=
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Briana Dawson
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08-03-2009 18:28
From: Julianne Kaestner
If that was what he said, it would be incorrect.

But that isn't what he said.

How about you clarify the matter since you obviously know and i have clearly displayed that i do not.
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Briana Dawson
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08-03-2009 18:29
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Let's just say... Some diapers and pacifiers are RLV enabled. =^-^=

I am not getting the fetish part still....
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Marianne McCann
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08-03-2009 18:30
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Let's just say... Some diapers and pacifiers are RLV enabled. =^-^=


I'd ask what "RLV enabled" means, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to know
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Briana Dawson
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08-03-2009 18:33
From: Marianne McCann
I'd ask what "RLV enabled" means, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to know


No, you do not. Because i am still stuck on the 'why' and 'fetish' part regarding the matter and I am thinking none of it is good.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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08-03-2009 18:34
From: Briana Dawson
I am not getting the fetish part still....
It's probably a bit of a departure from most kid avatars. But, diaper play is a humiliation fetish and often involves a bit of scat. The scripted diapers usually chat, change color, make noise, and drip. Each action adding to the humiliation of wearing one in public. (^_^)

And, I've seen a pacifier with a ball gag "mute and mumble" script. (^_^)y


( Even I'd like to know why I know this junk... (=_=) )
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Briana Dawson
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08-03-2009 18:36
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
It's probably a bit of a departure from most kid avatars. But, diaper play is a humiliation fetish and often involves a bit of scat. The scripted diapers usually chat, change color, make noise, and drip. Each action adding to the humiliation of wearing one in public.


sigh...



Thank you anyways Immy, even though i wish i could unread what you posted... :(
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Scylla Rhiadra
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08-03-2009 18:36
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
But, diaper play is a humiliation fetish and often involves a bit of scat. The scripted diapers usually chat, change color, make noise, and drip. Each action adding to the humiliation of wearing one in public. (^_^)

And, I've seen a pacifier with a ball gag "mute and mumble" script. (^_^)y

Oh, there is a wonderful/horrible description of this sort of thing (minus the scripts) in Julian Barnes' England England ...
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Julianne Kaestner
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08-03-2009 18:38
From: Briana Dawson
How about you clarify the matter since you obviously know and i have clearly displayed that i do not.


What he said was that he has the impression that the children who are "over the top" -- by which I guess he means the most babyish -- are in RL quite young. Maybe in the low 20s at most. And that he believes that this group is involved in satisfying a fetish, not in recapturing their childhood.

I have no idea what he's talking about, so I can't say whether he's right or wrong. But as far as I can see, that's what he said.

You said that he said that ALL child avatars have a fetish.

So I said etc. etc.

Anyway... I spent yesterday riding horseback around a child-friendly sim, then I skated around it. I ran into some people and chatted about nothing in particular. This is a typical day for me. If it seems fetishistic, then I don't know what to say.

I'm sure that some people do weird things, things I wouldn't want to see or even hear about. But I don't want to be stuck in the same bin as them just because I have a child avatar.
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08-03-2009 18:39
Well.. At least I didn't say.......





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08-03-2009 19:32
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08-03-2009 22:26
I can't speak for Holocluck, and I don't know what he was getting at, but there are other uses of the word fetish than the sexual one. It was originally an anthropological concept that has to do with a social group ascribing special or magical powers to an object. Think of a voodoo doll, for example, that would be a fetish.

Freud is the one who took the anthropological term and brought it into psychoanalytic theory--substituting body parts, or clothes, or sexual practises for the object and that oh-so-delightful kick-in-the-gut sexual charge for magical powers.

But, fetishization has also been used in other social theories, to talk about the way people or societies ascribe power, or exceptional or inherent value to other things or people or states. Usually when someone is talking about the fetishization of childhood, they're not talking about children getting it on; rather they're talking about the rarified, idealized state that contemporary North America makes childhood out to be. You know: that hazy, blurry lensed view of children that gives everyone the warm fuzzies (which, in my opinion, just shows how few adults remember what it was like actually being a kid).
Sylvan Shilling
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08-03-2009 22:32
From: Holocluck Henly
Don't be so sure re the 40-60 range, regardless of how they appear inworld.

btw I have the impression the over-the-top kids are younger in RL, maybe no older than low-mid 20s. Their impression is they're also engaging in fetishism versus recapturing childhood.

I meant 20-40 AVs, not members. I think most of the people I know are in the 40-60 range in RL.
Solanghe Sarlo
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08-03-2009 23:38
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
It's probably a bit of a departure from most kid avatars. But, diaper play is a humiliation fetish and often involves a bit of scat. The scripted diapers usually chat, change color, make noise, and drip.



Well. I thought I'd heard or seen about it all in SL. Obviously I have not.

*throws up in my mouth a little*
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Abigail Merlin
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08-04-2009 03:57
looks like things got derailed a bit but ok here goes;

when people refer to fetish in relation to childish objects like gag pacis and daipers then they are not talking about ageplay but adult babies, they are closely related but the reasoning is differnt both in sl and rl.

adult baby mostly focuses on the helplessness and need to be taken care off while ageplay in general focuses more on the carelessness.
offcourse this is a generalisation and there are many sub groups that adds extra layers, for exsample the spanking/disapline scene, while it might look like that is a violent group the truth is that it is group that is very focused on emotions and it is not uncommen that teh adult behind the child cries or smiles or feels loved over the things that happen to their character.

obviusly it is rare for the sexual side of things (we all are adults behind the character afterall) to be part in sl but in real life this is acceptable, it is not something everyone engages in but nobody will think it is objectable, very likely because it is visualy clear we are adults behind the inner child in rl
Melita Magic
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08-04-2009 10:37
From: Briana Dawson
Exactly how he stated it, in that way that has us both going "oh wow, did he just say all child avatars are playing child AVs because of a personal 'fetish' of some sort regarding playing a child av in SL?"


It could well mean that. I'm hoping not.

Fetishising something isn't necessarily in a sexual way, is why I asked how he meant it. It could also mean that he thinks people make the whole thing a bit too 'precious.' A fetish can be something like putting a bit too much importance/value on something nearly to the point of obsession. But not necessarily in a sexual way - for instance making anything symbolic or a totem makes it into a type of fetish as well.

Wish he'd clarify.
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08-05-2009 01:49
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Out of respect for those who are roleplaying as children....

When you contact a store owner about a request or service or issue.....

Do you talk in child talk?

Are we supposed to roleplay with you?

Or do you talk in a normal talk like you would as an adult?

What is the normal procedure?

This has happened several times this week. I'm two hours into this issue today, and I can't understand her "child speak"....so then there was the temper tantrum, and she said she was telling her Mommy. I asked to speak to her Mommy.

LOL! Good one mate! If they didn't take a hint, I would probably start replying in either some bonza Aussie banter, faster than seein the bottom of an esky at a snag & grog bbq & lingo or just Kangaroo clicks :)
I can imagine when a non-english speaking merchant is trying to understand what is coming out of his translator. Purchasing issues aren't RP unless the merchant wants them to be.
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Jig Chippewa
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08-05-2009 05:00
Okay, all this real adults in diaper humiliation play is just REALLY GROSS. When does a fetish like that kick in? I never heard of a young person doing iit. That is JUST GROSS. If a boyfriend ever did that I would throw him outta my house before dust settled. EW!!!!
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Marigold Devin
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08-05-2009 05:45
From: Jig Chippewa
Okay, all this real adults in diaper humiliation play is just REALLY GROSS. When does a fetish like that kick in? I never heard of a young person doing iit. That is JUST GROSS. If a boyfriend ever did that I would throw him outta my house before dust settled. EW!!!!


When this fetish becomes particularly gross is after you've visited a hospital ward for elderly people who have no choice but to be put in adult Pampers. There is nothing remotely erotic or sexy about it. I know of a particular avatar in SL who wears diapers in real life because of her condition, but she's created her "fetish"club because she believes she has a right to be sexual in spite of her disability.
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08-05-2009 06:26
"My kink is fine, but, yours crosses the line." (^_^)y

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