im so cranky with Sl staff

For future reference: An alt counts as the mandatory second person.

It doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as a group of one.

And you had 48 hours to get people in. That is plenty, and is not SL's fault.

S**t happens. Get over it.

I remember that when groups needed three people to remain active they would send out an automated message 24 hours (I think?) beforehand reminding all group members that the group would be disbanded if it didn't have at least then three, now two, members.

Did they do away with that entirely?

Okay .. by common sense alone "group" means more than one person.


Still it would be nice IF ..

A group that is disbanded within 24 hours of forming the $100L is refunded.

Group land should somehow automatically get divided among tier contributers if the group is disbanded instead of it defaulting to being "abandoned" when group falls apart.

Any Names that were used by groups that are disbanded should be reusable.

If you didn't know about the two-person minimum, then you obviously DON'T know how to set up a group.

Don't bitch at LL because you made a mistake.

In any event, any action that involves a monetyary transaction needs to be clearly explained , and placed somewhere where all users can find it ,be it in world or on the website. And the LL should be responsible for it, no one else. It is their product. There is no excuse for outdated info on offical spaces, be it about groups, first land or alts even. What is the Policy Toaday? Not last week's. Or last month's. Or last year's.

I'll raise the visibility of this jira issue again - basically a request to remove the 2 member minimum (i.e. make it 1 member minimum):

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1193

The OP is not the first, and will not be the last to be caught out on this one. Also it is not uncommon for someone to be caught out by people leaving the group unexpectedly, and apparently there is no longer an e-mail warning before the group gets disbanded.

On the other hand the minimum of 2 members serves no real purpose now that you can create easily create alts without any cost. Anyone who knows about this minimum and is concerned about losing the group, would just create a free alt and add that to the group!

Matthew

Great point.

And the knowledge base isn't nearly well advertised enough for that function. Quite a few Forums regulars don't know to use it, let alone people who almost never use the website.

This is the pop-up (with a Create/Cancel option) when you create a group:

LOL theres so many pop-ups in Second Life,

You actually expect people to read them?

"Do you wish to set this group for sale to anyone"?

I think LL should hire Trout as the official Pop Up Writer. I'm sure everyone would notice them.

But actually... wouldn't that be good? I mean, group-owned land is gonna revert to Governor eventually, so it can be recycled. But do we really want prims hanging around that belong to defunct groups? What happens if they're vendors that take money: where does the money go? Aren't these things permanently stranded, unless the parcel where they're located does a return?

Maybe it's desirable for it to stay this way, with defunct-group-owned objects undisturbed. To me, though, getting rid of stranded prims is way more important than keeping them around on the off-chance that they're still serving a purpose for somebody. (But then, I'd favor the occasional "virtual natural disaster" that sweeps through a sim every couple of months, auto-returning all in its path except on parcels where the owner has actively responded since the last sweep that they don't want that to happen.)

I nearly quit in a rage when I discovered that Barry, the 50-year old trucker I was cybering with, was actually a 21-year old cheerleader from Ohio.

Damn you, Ohio!!!

I've abandoned 3 groups over the past 13 or 14 months. In each case I made sure that I was the only one in the group and then just waited for the clock to run out. In each case I received an email from LL warning me. In two cases, I got an email after 48 hours warning me that I had another 48 hours before the group poofed.

Am I the only one who gets emails about impending group destruction, or just the only one who reads them? I can't remember having to click anything special to say that I want to get warnings from LL.. just made sure they have a correct email address for me, and that they're whitelisted in my spam filters.

-Atashi

let me start by saying…welcome to the Forums Nerys
I think what has caused such a harsh response by some to your OP is that too often we see a first post being nothing more then an attack on LL® for something that wasn’t directly LL® fault and seeking sympathy or attempting to rally a lynch mob. As you can see, calmer heads have suggested using the jira to submit changes that might prevent this particular problem in the future. You may not have been aware of jira and many people are not or choose to stay clear of the clunky jira interface. Regardless, non of this solves anything and you are out the pocket change and lost a prized group name. I suggest you step back, take a deep breath and save your energy for the even bigger crises that inevitably await you in SL™.

So anyway, Nerys, are you a Deepspace Nine Fan?

Nope you're not the only one who gets the warnings. I guess the OP didn't read those either.

How is that a group? Even two isn't a group...I thought it was rather nice of LL to drop it from three.

I think people do actually read it, they're just too focused on wanting to see the bunnie dance to think about what they just read.

Or the same problem you run into it when you try "Do the Test" .
http://www.dothetest.co.uk/

LOL good point!

Hhhmmm...maybe get a premium account and support LL.

I can't help but laugh a little when I read posts like the OP. Whining about something that resulted from one's own carelessness and then trying to escape responsibility for it by unjustifiably blaming Linden Lab is undeserving of any sympathy and really constitutes nothing more than silly flaming against Linden Lab.

LESS THEN 2 MEMBERS i guess that means one member... wow you lost 33 cents cuz you didnt read the rules, omg

Yes they are stranded, but sometimes that is a good thing. The infohub next door mostly belongs to an inactive avatar account. Poofing that build just because her account is closed would really suck. And it would suck just as badly if those happened to be deeded to a defunct group.

Of course the Lindens could step up and make an exception since it's on their land and all, but they would have to make that kind of evaluation for every dead group. It's not a problem that can be dealt with by running a little procedure, someone has to look at it case by case, and with the sheer number of groups that comes and goes that's going to get laborious. Seeing that, their policy seems fine.

ETA: The disaster thing has been done before at that site, Harry Linden blew it up. http://sluniverse.com/pics/Default.aspx?Sim=Hanson