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Why are shoes no-mod?

Yuriko Nishi
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01-27-2008 06:38
From: Qie Niangao
But that's a conscious decision the recipient has made, not to have IMs sent to email, or to ignore the emails so sent. It's not as if "capped" IMs aren't processed at all. If I tried that excuse on my customers, they'd all know I was blowing smoke.


oh nice =)

i didnt know that. only had my ims capped once, and that´s a while ago. had not set the ims to be send to email at that time.

i create nearly everything i wear, drive, shoot, live in by myself. that´s what sl mostly is about for me.
thats the fun part.
if people do it for earning money, thats fine for me. their decision. and if they want to sell it with no mod - their decision. again it´s really simple: if you dont like it, dont buy it. thats what i do and the reason why i started to create stuff in the first place.

i don´t get why some people think they can tell others what they should do with their creations...
Madhu Maruti
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01-27-2008 07:00
From: Bree Giffen
I think the problem with male avatars is that they don't look good with small feet at size zero. If you try to resize the feet to look normal any prim shoes that cover it will look too big. So you basically have to buy prim shoes that look good and have smaller feet than normal, or you can have regular sized feet and have big oversized shoes.


I think the same is true of female avatars. Prim shoes seem designed to fit on size 0 shoes, but when I go barefoot or wear mesh shoes I have to crank my foot size back up to 40 or 50, else I look like a foot-binding victim. No other female avs find this? Or maybe no one else wears mesh shoes ever?
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Dana Hickman
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01-27-2008 09:36
From: Madhu Maruti
I think the same is true of female avatars. Prim shoes seem designed to fit on size 0 shoes, but when I go barefoot or wear mesh shoes I have to crank my foot size back up to 40 or 50, else I look like a foot-binding victim. No other female avs find this? Or maybe no one else wears mesh shoes ever?

Wow, 40 or 50 is a lot. I don't think I've ever had to go any higher than like 8 when totally barefoot, and I'm only a little shorter than the average amazon.

Yuriko, again.. it's not "if you don't like it, don't buy it"... it's "if you absolutely LOVE it, but can't use it"... especially if you've already boughten it. One has to resort to gambling on whether the nomod shoes will fit or not, and most of the time (for me at least) it's resulted in about a 75% throw away rate. Throw away... because you can't make them fit and can't resell them or give them to an ALT.
Kitty Barnett
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01-27-2008 09:53
From: Qie Niangao
For that, you need a CopyBot like application (or Software That Must Not Be Named Here)--in which case lack of mod permission makes no difference whatsoever.
The basic entry-level isn't even that high: the standard viewer will show the prim params for any prim with a few choice deletes from the viewer source.

"Copying"/recreating would still be manual labour, but the "skill" needed to get to that critical point is so low that if someone really wanted to then they pretty much can, which really removes much of the argument that "no mod" is still any kind of a deterrent in my opinion.
Kitty Barnett
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01-27-2008 11:16
Glanced through the post, but don't think it's come up.

There's a pure financial reason for "no-mod" as well: if the different colours are the result of the colour picker (as opposed to differently coloured textures) then selling the shoes mod would mean far less profit since you'd only have to buy one pair that you can recolour at will. No-mod forces people to buy all the different colours they like.

(Also true for - some - clothing, furniture, etc...)
Madhu Maruti
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01-27-2008 11:55
From: Dana Hickman
Wow, 40 or 50 is a lot. I don't think I've ever had to go any higher than like 8 when totally barefoot, and I'm only a little shorter than the average amazon.


I'm on the short side, but I am also not a stick figure - anything as small as 8 would be hardly bigger than my calves and look very strange. But on reflection I think the reason I go as high as 40 or 50 is that my favorite pair of mesh shoes are kind of biker-boot like, and so they need to be a little on the big side or again, they don't look right.

Later I'll take some pictures of myself with different shoes and different foot sizes for show-and-tell.
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Bee Mizser
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01-27-2008 15:30
From: Isabeau Imako
My alt walks around barefoot - liberating!
I wish I could free my toes more often in RL as well.


Have you tried asking the creator? You're probably not the only one with size problems.
Jeepers Creepers gives excellent customer service and they have cool, funky shoes for men.
I don't know if he (Eponymous?) would make a smaller pair for you, but it's worth asking. He seems real nice and loves what he does...


Wondered what the cheesy pong was :P
Bee Mizser
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01-27-2008 15:42
From: Qie Niangao
Well, yeah, I wrote such a script myself for making my main character be creator of stuff I made as my alt, lest my alt start getting customer service calls. But there's only so much a script can do. It can't manufacture texture permissions from thin air, for example, and so it can't clone sculpties, nor the textures of quality prim shoes. For that, you need a CopyBot like application (or Software That Must Not Be Named Here)--in which case lack of mod permission makes no difference whatsoever. (Note that a well-known texture loop-hole--that I won't describe further--is patched in the more recent viewer versions.)But that's a conscious decision the recipient has made, not to have IMs sent to email, or to ignore the emails so sent. It's not as if "capped" IMs aren't processed at all. If I tried that excuse on my customers, they'd all know I was blowing smoke.

Apropos suggestions that I go into the shoe-making business or make them freebies: to be fair, yeah, I suppose the reason this bugs me so much is that I *could* make my own shoes--and, in the past, I *have* out of desperation. I already do all my own scripting, structural building, lots of textures, a skin, some clothes, and some animations. But you know, I'm *busy*; I'd kinda like to be able to buy *something*!

But I did finally find some men's shoes sized realistically at (of all places) Aitui. They're kinda funky sculpty slippers, but one of the variants is almost passable if one doesn't look too close. Of course, being sculpties, for the first five minutes while I'm rezzing to another viewer I look like I'm wearing fuzzy grey bocce balls on my feet, but eventually I look reasonably shod. Kinda.



Rez said pair of shoes on the ground and I could get the textures from them into my own prims using a technique that was a modified version of a tip of the week by none other than Torley.

I'm not going into which one, but suffice to say, I have managed it. And no I'm not going to sell said items, because the textures (I have a licence to use them) are not mine to sell.

So yes people do make stuff no mod to prevent theft. It is a fair and reaosnable excuse.

People also DO get capped IMs.. One group I am a member of regularly causes my IMs to get capped. However notecards are a good solution to this, but people get spammed with them offering mall space and the like. It CAN be annoying going through them.
Ilianexsi Sojourner
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01-27-2008 15:59
From: Madhu Maruti
I think the same is true of female avatars. Prim shoes seem designed to fit on size 0 shoes, but when I go barefoot or wear mesh shoes I have to crank my foot size back up to 40 or 50, else I look like a foot-binding victim. No other female avs find this? Or maybe no one else wears mesh shoes ever?

I don't wear non-prim shoes much anymore, because I'm finally finding casual prim shoes that I like. I still go barefoot a lot, but now and then I will use size-zero feet for dress shoes; I don't really like feet that tiny, it just looks odd. My normal foot size is 35, but then I'm on the tall side.

If I'm not barefoot, I'm usually wearing either the (men's) Z-Boots from Shiny Things, or some really amazing Chuck Taylors from Darkstar Designs. Both fit me perfectly without having to resize my feet. The Chuck Taylors are my new favorites-- the size is so perfect, and they look so realistic, I got them in about six colors. They're copy/mod/no transfer and unisex too, so there's a recommendation for you. :)
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Cristalle Karami
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01-27-2008 17:16
From: Qie Niangao
But that's a conscious decision the recipient has made, not to have IMs sent to email, or to ignore the emails so sent. It's not as if "capped" IMs aren't processed at all. If I tried that excuse on my customers, they'd all know I was blowing smoke.


Considering that a fair number of IMs will be "are you there?", "hello" or "hi" it is no wonder they are blown off, even if sent to email. I'm not going to play cat and mouse with someone. State your business and be done with it. If I'm not online and I get a message that gives me some clue as to what is wrong, I am more inclined to look into it. I'm not going to play tag with people. One-liners with no substance are a waste of IMs.
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