Okay, I've wasted a few hours trucking 'round the grid, trying to find passable men's prim shoes with mod permission. I guess I'll have to post in Products Wanted to find something usable, but I'm just baffled by *why* the creators make shoes (of all things) no-mod.
My feet are size 0, so once in a great while I can find something in the women's department that doesn't look too stoopid. And I've even resorted to buying the men's size 20 clown shoes and manually copying the damned things as best I can to get something that doesn't look like a seagoing vessel. But I really don't aspire to being a cobbler.
So far, the best dress shoes I've been able to find are no-prim texture shoes that came with some suit I bought--and yes, they suck. But they fit.
Why do prim shoe creators make this simple thing so difficult?
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Qie Niangao
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01-26-2008 05:42
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Jessica Elytis
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01-26-2008 05:52
Because theives have ruined things for honest folks.
Modable objects show the prim data in the Edit fields, so someone could reverse engineer the shoes (even if NoCopy) and sell them as their own after. Another of life's annoyances due to those driven solely by self-serving greed. ~Jessy _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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01-26-2008 06:11
Another of life's annoyances due to those driven solely by self-serving greed. Making it no modify does not stop theft by this technique, I'm afraid. |
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Jessica Elytis
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01-26-2008 06:29
Making it no modify does not stop theft by this technique, I'm afraid. No. "Locks only keep out honest people". It does make it harder though. ~Jessy _____________________
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Dude, you are a true and good friend, and I love you like the brother that my mom claims she never had, but you are in fact acting like a flaming douche on white toast with a side order of dickknob salsa..maybe you should reconsider this course of action and we go find something else to do. |
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Qie Niangao
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01-26-2008 07:35
Thanks, Jessy. And Yumi, yeah, that's what I too was thinking, but I suppose the lazy and clueless are over-represented among thieves.
Well, crap. I'm not gonna run a CopyBot just to be able to buy shoes that fit. Guess I'll have to go into the shoe business myself, or go barefoot.  |
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Isablan Neva
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01-26-2008 07:43
I highly recommend going barefoot - I made that choice two years ago and never looked back. There is a even a group: Shoeless.
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Dinalya Dawes
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01-26-2008 07:59
No shoes? I...I dont understand. *looks at her extremely large shoe folder* No, No shoes...no, doesnt compute. *looks around confused*
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01-26-2008 08:06
dunno if you remember this far back, but before copybot we had Prim-Mirrors.... Prim Mirrors pretty much devastated the shoe market, and allowed you to copy any prim object
the basic design didn't copy some attributes like textures, but it was possible. I've considerd working up a safety version that checks both creator and permissions, but still working out details so that it can't be abused. it'll be awhile. _____________________
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Danielle Harrop
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01-26-2008 08:35
Come find me in world on Monday, send me an IM, and I'll help you find or I will make some shoes for you. Will be a great learning experience!
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Bree Giffen
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01-26-2008 11:04
I think the problem with male avatars is that they don't look good with small feet at size zero. If you try to resize the feet to look normal any prim shoes that cover it will look too big. So you basically have to buy prim shoes that look good and have smaller feet than normal, or you can have regular sized feet and have big oversized shoes.
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Qie Niangao
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01-26-2008 11:44
I think the problem with male avatars is that they don't look good with small feet at size zero. If you try to resize the feet to look normal any prim shoes that cover it will look too big. So you basically have to buy prim shoes that look good and have smaller feet than normal, or you can have regular sized feet and have big oversized shoes. So, yeah, I think one underlying problem is that the menswear market is limited anyway, and designers pretty much have to address the majority: big, tall, beefy guys with legs the size of fenceposts. There probably aren't many of us who go out of our way to look kinda scrawny. |
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Lowen Raymaker
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01-26-2008 12:38
What's funny to me is that many of these "designers" developed their trade by studiously dissecting someone else’s shoe.
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Isablan Neva
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01-26-2008 12:49
What's funny to me is that many of these "designers" developed their trade by studiously dissecting someone else’s shoe. The reality is that is exactly how most new products are created SL and RL. Buy someone's mousetrap, take it apart, figure out how to make it better. "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." - Albert Einstein _____________________
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Annabelle Babii
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01-26-2008 12:59
I highly recommend going barefoot - I made that choice two years ago and never looked back. There is a even a group: Shoeless. Free yourself from the tyranny of shoes!! BLASPHEMY!!!!! |
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Isabeau Imako
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01-26-2008 13:13
My alt walks around barefoot - liberating!
I wish I could free my toes more often in RL as well. Have you tried asking the creator? You're probably not the only one with size problems. Jeepers Creepers gives excellent customer service and they have cool, funky shoes for men. I don't know if he (Eponymous?) would make a smaller pair for you, but it's worth asking. He seems real nice and loves what he does... |
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Qie Niangao
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01-26-2008 13:35
Jeepers Creepers gives excellent customer service and they have cool, funky shoes for men. I don't know if he (Eponymous?) would make a smaller pair for you, but it's worth asking. He seems real nice and loves what he does...  ) |
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Ricardo Harris
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01-26-2008 13:35
Because theives have ruined things for honest folks.~Jessy/QUOTE] Speaking in general. God, that excuse which is given by builders is so played out. This excuse along with the one of their IM's being capped so they don't or didn't get your messages go hand in hand as being the biggest bullshit in sl. Why are shoes no mod? Why is anything sold no mod? Other then the usual stupid reasoning given there is no real reason why anything is no-mod. Shoes, men shoes in sl are the worse made items of anything made. I challenge anyone to show me anything which is constantly made worse then men's shoes in sl. You see them badly made in just about any shop you venture in unlike anything else. Usually, the same clown sized shoes the op wrote about. Or/and the right shoe looking like it belongs in the left foot and viceversa among other faults. Just last night I went to a men's shop saw a few things I could of purchased but I couldn't tell if the clothes were no-mod due to the vendor it was being sold at so I asked the owner. A bit later I got a response where he said he makes everything no-mod because he doesn't want anyone changing it (adjusting it he means) being his name is on it. This just makes me laugh but not a happy laugh but a laugh of incredible amazement at this idiotic reasoning. It's gotten to the point I'm so tired of these self serving indiviuals with king size egos who actually believe people care what their names are. I mean unless their names are on the clothes themselves which they aren't no one cares and even then if their names were on it I still doubt anyone gives a sh*t. After getting this persons response I just didn't even answer back and left it at that. Meanwhile, he got no sales from me and I would of brought several items as I did find some to look ok. The best thing about this no-mod practice increasing in sl is the fact I don't spend any real amounts of money anymore, at least not like I did before. Many others don't either so when I see someone complaining about their sales having gone down and you see this a lot by several shop owners all I say to them is good for you, you're so deserving of it. I will also add that even if shoes are mod, in many cases you still can't adjust them to a right fit being there's just no hope for them. Modifying them is one thing, saving them from themselves is another as they're so badly made a miracle would be more like it. And you can't go by the nice looking ads they show as the ad being the way the shoes itself looks like because 9 ot of 10 they look nothing like the ad. If you're a male who shops for clothes a lot you know exactly what I'm talking about. Shoes have been the most deleted non used items I have ever had the displeasure of buying. |
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Daisy Rimbaud
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01-26-2008 16:30
The reality is that is exactly how most new products are created SL and RL. Buy someone's mousetrap, take it apart, figure out how to make it better. /me sighs - "Isn't that the truth? And often, not even better!" |
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Maya Remblai
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01-26-2008 19:36
As a content creator (I make animal avatars) I think it's stupid to make objects no-mod. Some of my more complicated scripts are no-mod, but objects are always mod & copy. I even go out of my way to make things easier to modify, and enjoy seeing the mods my customers have made. Qie, the best thing you could for yourself and the grid is to make shoes yourself, and sell them as mod.
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Dana Hickman
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01-26-2008 20:29
The best thing about this no-mod practice increasing in sl is the fact I don't spend any real amounts of money anymore, at least not like I did before. Many others don't either so when I see someone complaining about their sales having gone down and you see this a lot by several shop owners all I say to them is good for you, you're so deserving of it. /me applauds Ricardo's post Although women's shoe's are more prevalent, I'd say the percentage of mod choices vs. no-mod choices are roughly the same... it sux. I used to spend nearly 10k a week shopping, but with the irritating rash of no-mod stuff it's now rare if I spend my stipend plus maybe 400L or so. I get the choice of buying shoes from 'big designer' A, sized for godzilla and nomod, or from 'big designer" B and have beavis and butthead feet and nomod, or I can buy junk from an unknown's cubby hole in some mall. Completely asinine because now instead of me taking 10 seconds and dragging a resize box and being perfectly ecstatic about my purchase, I have a folder full of full-priced crap that i cant use, and cant resell. I suppose it doesn't matter as long as the creators gotten his money and their saintly store name isn't tarnished. Fortunately I never get burned twice. |
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Yuriko Nishi
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01-26-2008 20:36
if you all hate the people who sell no mod stuff so much, dont buy it, create your own stuff, and give it away as freebie. (there are scripts which clone any mod linkset within a few seconds, put you in as creator and give you full perm, so mod=freebie)
blame LL, not the creators edit: i once had shoes that didnt fit, asked the creator, and she was very nice, rezied them for me and we had a nice chat. but "all creators are greedy idiots..." yeah right and ricardo only because you never recieve more than 2-3 ims when you are offline, that doesnt mean there is no cap for ims btw, i sell my boots with mod perm. but i understand any creator who does not |
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Ricardo Harris
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01-26-2008 20:57
if you all hate the people who sell no mod stuff so much, dont buy it and create your own stuff, and give it away as freebie. and ricardo only because you never recieve more than 2-3 ims when you are offline, that doesnt mean there is no cap for ims Allow me to bring up a notch, at times I wish I didn't receive any. Yeah, yeah real easy to tell people to make their own. The problem is people like myself don't care or don't wish to come to sl to work. And this isn't about us, it's about those who wish to make stuff for profit. Unfortunately, many of them aren't clever or astute enough to realize more and more people are staying away from non-mod items meaning less sells for them. They're so damn paranoid or greedy or both that they believe everyone is out to get them. When in actual reality no one cares enough to even remember their names once the consumers leave their shops. For every real good builder in sl I guess you have about 100 who suck but honestly believe everyone is gunning for them to copy or steal their items. They believe they're being watched and every chance someone has they'll steal from them or that people envy them for their items. That's nothing but a whole lot of wishful thinking on their part. |
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Qie Niangao
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01-27-2008 04:53
(there are scripts which clone any mod linkset within a few seconds, put you in as creator and give you full perm, so mod=freebie) ...only because you never recieve more than 2-3 ims when you are offline, that doesnt mean there is no cap for ims Apropos suggestions that I go into the shoe-making business or make them freebies: to be fair, yeah, I suppose the reason this bugs me so much is that I *could* make my own shoes--and, in the past, I *have* out of desperation. I already do all my own scripting, structural building, lots of textures, a skin, some clothes, and some animations. But you know, I'm *busy*; I'd kinda like to be able to buy *something*! But I did finally find some men's shoes sized realistically at (of all places) Aitui. They're kinda funky sculpty slippers, but one of the variants is almost passable if one doesn't look too close. Of course, being sculpties, for the first five minutes while I'm rezzing to another viewer I look like I'm wearing fuzzy grey bocce balls on my feet, but eventually I look reasonably shod. Kinda. |
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Howard Sachs
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There is a way to avoid using mod
01-27-2008 05:14
You can always have a look at what you can find over at SLX:
The "Prim Resizer" http://slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=282300 I have had it in my favorite list at SLX for a while. I have no need for it yet, as I don't make shoes, wigs or clothes, but I suggest you take a look. It makes it possible for your customers to resize the product even though you have not set it to MOD. The script itself comes with full permissions, and cost L999. I kept it in my favorites in case I am going to start making hair / shoes / clothes some day |
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Qie Niangao
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01-27-2008 05:42
...The "Prim Resizer"...  ). Another possible gotcha is some particle effects that depend on a particular scale, and may not be scripted to respond appropriately to scale changes (manually or by script). |
