Verification?

Indeed. I think this is a secondary motive. To be honest I think legal proposed this, together with risk management, and the business side sees it as a double dipping opportunity for the reasons you mention. There are a few articles in the SL Herald about this that you may want to check out .. shamless plus, I know, but oh well (www.secondlifeherald.com).

This all seems to concentrate on the visual aspects of SL. What about places that have music streaming where lyrics or th language of DJ's could be seen as offensive?
Although I like heavy rock, I find Marilyn Manson's music far more offensive than naked avatars wandering around SL!!!!

I'm not asking you to believe anything. I'm sharing my side of what did happen. We asked them to remove us from their list when they called and are waiting for the next call since this has been going on every night. If this continues you bet your bottom we will report this. I do not believe considering we have given no one else our information, SS# wise, email addresses etc. that this came from anyone else. We do not go to web sites that ask for your personal information if it can be helped, and if we ever did. we did not give the info and closed the sites out immediately. They told us this came from "integrity 3rd party info". Whatever integrity is, i am not sure. I am not the one they are asking for. They ask for my husband only each time. I do not have an issue trying to verify, this is the reason he did try. I do however have a problem if the person we are giving this information to shares it with someone else since they did not ask for permission in doing so.

You're obviously upset about this and it's clearly against what LL said was going to happen...

Why wait to see if it continues?

If you have ever voted, bought a house, got married (Well you admitted that one) or any number of other things, Integrity has your info and has been selling it to people for a while now.

Sometimes coincidences are just coincidences.

Hundreds of people have verified by now and yours is the first story of it's kind. Until a true pattern of complaints arises... this single point of info doesn't make the rule.

However it is good that you reported the coincidence and if this "coincidence" is repeated many more times and a true pattern emerges, that's something entirely different.

(As a side note, nothing in the universe will get you spammed to death with junkmail and phone calls than buying a new house!)

Heh! Wait until you reach an age to become an Elder Citizen...

Its really simple people. Linden Labs is legally safe in their TOS. We all agree to being adults over 18 when we log in. My land I pay for each month is "mature" land. I hang in "mature" land. So I assume that everyone I hang with are "mature" and over 18. Aye, I also agree that perhaps a few have filtered in that are not 18 or over. BUT, is that really my fault if they bypass the TOS agreement? Nope, and I don't feel guilty for any of it if a minor does sneak through.

This whole process of age verifying with a third party doesn't have anything to do with verifying age. Minors will find ways of bypassing this too and now even moreso. This actually has to do with Linden Labs selling us to this third party. Yes, ....Linden labs just found another way of making more then 200.00 american dollars from me each month by selling my personal info to a third party so I can be spammed for the rest of my adult life. How much is LL's making off me by doing this?...20 bucks per each name they hand over to this new company. Its BIG money for companies like Linden Labs to make by selling out their lists of game players. And we will fall into the trap like good little addicted soldiers. The worst part in this...is LL's is making it voluntary. ~laughs~...come on all you good little addicted to SL soldiers, give away all that precious info!!

Next month we'll all be to busy deleting junk mail from our emails, turning off the endless calls from telecommunication companies trying to sell me something to enjoy the time in the game. We'll have to change our email addies again...pay 25 dollars to change our telephone numbers ...pay more money to toss out the added junk mail in our mail boxes.

How low can LL's really get. And to hurt us more and more after a huge lose to the economy from the illegal gambling crunch. Now we lose more and more business due to people not falling for the selling them out to the highest third party game of 'integrity'.

I really have to think this through seriously. Do I really want to continue paying large sums of money [200+] a month to a game that sells me out? I wish someone would hurry up and make another SL like community outside of USA so I can move on. This is getting rediculous!!

If I'm paying with a credit card, that pretty much verifies me anyway, right? So I don't have to worry about anything?

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You would think so wouldn't you ? Apparently though linden doesn't see it that way.


Elinah

Actually, as has been said dozens of times, it's the credit card companys that don't see it that way.

You're 100% certain of this bit? You've had a lawyer look it over? Or is this just your opinion?


And the proof of this is... what?

You make these statements like they're facts. Are they? You have backup on this? Links? Anything?

Or just more conjecture?

Again with the "Credit Cards are verification" thing...

Good lord.

They're not. I know we'd all like them to be, but they're just not.

In the USA you can put yourself of the national Do-Not-Call list. You will have to search for it on the internet, but it's a government sponsored system. If you are on the list and they continue to call then let them know you are reporting them. There is a website for reporting violations, or you can turn it over to a lawyer who specializes in this sort of thing. I believe the penalty is several thousand dollars for every minute of your time that they waste. I have been on the list first it was first introduced and have gone from 20 calls a week to maybe one a year.

Of course, if you can 100% prove that this is due to the information you gave in response to LL then this is a different matter. LL state they do not share the information. If they actually do, and a lot of people can prove it, then that's probably a class action lawsuit and bye bye LL

A very known fact that this Company...Integrity...Does THIS!...HELLO!! Research the dang company. Its what they do...LOL. Its all over the blog about the history of this company.

That's your proof that this is Linden Lab's motivation behind Verification?

Somebody says on the forum that they do this, even though LL has said that they've made sure that the contract with the company DOESN'T involve releasing this information, this is proof positive that Linden Lab is doing this to make more money selling your info?

You're serious?

This is conjecture and pot-stirring at its worst. You have NOTHING to back you up on this, yet you put it out there as a fact.

HELLOOO... that's not how it works.
And this is exactly why people are freaking out about it. Because of shit-stirrers throwing out doomsday predictions and misinformation.

Come up with some facts and maybe you'll have a case. Until then, you're just making the problem worse.

I can verify by simply entering a name, date of birth and a partial address.
- Integrity have no way of knowing if the details are genuine or not.
- Integrity have no way of knowing if the details refer to me.

How is this verification in any way a better indication of my identity and age than is my corporate credit card?



Again with the "Credit Cards are not verification" thing.

As regards verification, the *only* difference between a credit card company and Integrity is:
- A credit card company admits that a credit card is not a guarantee of identity or age 18+ of the person entering the credit card number into a website.
- Integrity does not admit that their verification is not a guarantee of identity or age 18+ of the person entering the identity details into a website.

Oh really? I guess you wouldnt mind then if a third company sells your driver's license info? Be my guest, but I wont do it.


Elinah

And, of course, the fact that Visa has said that they aren't to be considered verification...

but let's just ignore that.

I think that the difference is that Integrity (lol what a jackassed ironic name that is, the owner should be hanged for that alone) has provided a contractual indemnity to LL for cases where people are mis-verified, whereas a CC issuer will not do this. It's clearly LL's legal advisers who are behind this, without question.

Wow... paranoid much?

To the hacking thing: How is a hacker getting into Integrity any different from a hacker getting into anywhere else that has my info? If I'm to be "stupid" enough to worry about hackers, I'm going to just have to stop ordering anything online, putting ANY information out there at all.

To the selling thing: Am I the only one that read the blog post (gah... I'm going to have to look it up, aren't I? I HATE that...) where LL said that, according to the contract, this wouldn't happen?

well of course Visa doesnt want to be used for verification.

They dont want credit cards to be 18+ at all, and they definitely dont want parents watching their every move with their cards.

Becuase that stops them from getting credit cards into the hands of minors and racking up some nice fat, parent-insured debt.

They did that to cover their own asses for their own irresponsible card issuance policies. So this is just because the CC issuers want to hand out cards like candy and use their own risk management metric to contain the write offs, while also limiting their liability as an "ersatz" verification system.

It all sucks. Everyone is passing the buck. And the buck, dearie, is landing on your lap and mine. Is that were is should be? Are we the ones making money from SL?

Mickey - that's why I said "if you can 100% prove it". At the moment it's a single case. Doesn't prove that this has anything to do with LL or Integrity. But, if this goes live and a couple of thousand people suddenly get the same thing, that's a different matter entirely.

Personally I still have a little faith left in LL and don't believe they could be that stupid.

Then why have I read on these boards that anyone can get on any porn site on the internet with just a cc and no other form of identification? Why don't internet porn sites have to require it ?


Elinah

Simple enough - All of the Lindens should have to verify with integrity - Including their phone numbers.

have them not tell Integrity they are Lindens ..

And see how much junk mail and telemarketing junk they get all of a sudden.


If they dont get any - then you can move it out of beta.

LOL the whole use your highest paying customers as Gueina Pigs thing was a bit risky, wasnt it?

Victoria, regardless of the reasons WHY, the fact remains that Visa has said that they are NOT a form of verification, thus cannot be used as such, thus negating the "Credit Cards are a form of verification" thing.

As for making money out of SL? I gotta say, for the hours put in on the projects I've done, I'm actually doing rather well.

Well over $75 per hour for actual time worked and growing.
That ain't too shabby.

Torian, that wasn't to you, booboo... *grin*

it was the "LINDEN LABS ONLY WANTS TO VERIFY 'CUZ THEY'RE GREEDY OMG!" person...